[themyst]

Originally Posted by dzenno

I know what you mean by marketing but in this case I'm pretty confident its not the case...i guess dynos will tell...and Ben's right, procede retards timing (CPS=100%) by 3-4 degrees on pump gas as well...but let's stay on topic of stage 2 otherwise this will get out of control again

The beauty of a flash tune is predictability, something piggybacks can't match. If stage 2 is as predictable as my experience with stage 1 is, I may not need more than what stage 2 provides.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

MBT, however you get their depends on the platform. More boost? More Ignition. Time will tell.

[Pseudo Nim]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

MBT, however you get their depends on the platform. More boost? More Ignition. Time will tell.

MORE POWERRRRRRRRRR

[Joshboody]

I guess we'll get guys doing this with atr. Lower boost increase timing you're lowering egt and exhaust manifold pressure, offering more timing and even more boost in the top end. An FBO in mild weather can run almost 15psi with stock timing on 93... Just make the IAT corrections greater. Hell, lower coolant temp by 10, 20deg and you get further benefits... I hope they are doing this now... There's plenty of cooling capacity it seems anyway.

I know there's safety to consider, but you can detonate after TDC also.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Joshboody

I guess we'll get guys doing this with atr. Lower boost increase timing you're lowering egt and exhaust manifold pressure, offering more timing and even more boost in the top end. An FBO in mild weather can run almost 15psi with stock timing on 93... Just make the IAT corrections greater. Hell, lower coolant temp by 10, 20deg and you get further benefits... I hope they are doing this now... There's plenty of cooling capacity it seems anyway.

I know there's safety to consider, but you can detonate after TDC also.

Show me a log with no CPS at 15 psi without timing dropouts. Every log I've ever pulled without CPS shows at least 2-3 dropouts in a single 3rd gear pull at 15 psi.

[woodga16]

This all sounds great. I might consider trying it if it had meth mapping.

[Joshboody]

Originally Posted by themyst

Show me a log with no CPS at 15 psi without timing dropouts. Every log I've ever pulled without CPS shows at least 2-3 dropouts in a single 3rd gear pull at 15 psi.

That maybe a little exagerated but I'm talking theory in general. The futher boost in increased the farther youre getting from peak pressure.

[themyst]

I have no idea where you got this theory to begin with. The stock tune knocks under extreme conditions.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

I'm not sure what you guys are getting into but this car knocks even at stock boost. So you most certainly cannot run stock ignition at 15 PSI without seeing some knock. If you do you got some serious cold air and maybe a little bit of magic under the hood

[uwotm8]

This excites me!

[thebigragu99]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I'm not sure what you guys are getting into but this car knocks even at stock boost. So you most certainly cannot run stock ignition at 15 PSI without seeing some knock. If you do you got some serious cold air and maybe a little bit of magic under the hood

+1 they do knock some,just like stock evos!

Well said jeff!!

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Joshboody

I guess we'll get guys doing this with atr. Lower boost increase timing you're lowering egt and exhaust manifold pressure, offering more timing and even more boost in the top end. An FBO in mild weather can run almost 15psi with stock timing on 93... Just make the IAT corrections greater. Hell, lower coolant temp by 10, 20deg and you get further benefits... I hope they are doing this now... There's plenty of cooling capacity it seems anyway.

I know there's safety to consider, but you can detonate after TDC also.

No Josh you can't run 15psi on stock timing, not even in Canada's cool weather and 94 pump Sunoco gas...on autotuning it'd max out at about 12.5psi on my car with full boltons as timing would be pulled 1-3 times mid 3rd gear pull and procede used to react to it by lowering boost (i.e. auto"tooning" it )

[themyst]

If you could run 15 psi on stock timing curve without knock, the Shiv and Terry wars of 2009 would never have happened. Lmao

[PlutoniumTans]

Originally Posted by themyst

If you could run 15 psi on stock timing curve without knock, the Shiv and Terry wars of 2009 would never have happened. Lmao

Now DIY mr5 intake

[Joshboody]

Geez, I may have exaggerated the specifics but I'm talking theory in optimizing engine efficiency compared to upping boost and lowering timing. anyway, carry on...

[themyst]

Cobb stage 2 just made me giggle like a little schoolgirl. 6AT logs to come....

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by themyst

Cobb stage 2 just made me giggle like a little schoolgirl. 6AT logs to come....

[Brey335i]

Please note that my next question has nothing to do with any tuner wars and is not an attempt at attacking COBB's tune:

How does the Stage 2 feel when boost is being pulled back from 18 down low to 10 at redline or whatever Rob said?

It seems like the car would be a huge disappointment as you rev it...

I'm very interested to try out the COBB stage 2 with my mods and I'd love it if someone could explain what it feels like.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Please note that my next question has nothing to do with any tuner wars and is not an attempt at attacking COBB's tune:

How does the Stage 2 feel when boost is being pulled back from 18 down low to 10 at redline or whatever Rob said?

It seems like the car would be a huge disappointment as you rev it...

I'm very interested to try out the COBB stage 2 with my mods and I'd love it if someone could explain what it feels like.

Feels perfectly strong. It sure isn't 8psi at redline for sure. Do the math actually, Clap is sustaining close to 350whp at redline. Is that possible with 8psi at redline? even 10 psi at redline?

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by themyst

Feels perfectly strong. It sure isn't 8psi at redline for sure. Do the math actually, Clap is sustaining close to 350whp at redline. Is that possible with 8psi at redline? even 10 psi at redline?

I'll trust your experiences. I don't really care what it is at redline for now as long as it doesn't feel like it falls flat on its face as you hit high rpms. Which it sounds like it doesn't anyways...

[Bash]

Originally Posted by dzenno

No Josh you can't run 15psi on stock timing, not even in Canada's cool weather and 94 pump Sunoco gas...on autotuning it'd max out at about 12.5psi on my car with full boltons as timing would be pulled 1-3 times mid 3rd gear pull and procede used to react to it by lowering boost (i.e. auto"tooning" it )

Tell that to Terry, where he suggets that i have drops at 11psi - 12psi due to the fact our 98 RON is performing as 89/90 octane US. Not the fact that you simply cannot run JB4 or procede for that matter without offestting or race/meth.

When someone runs meth/race then fine enjoy JB/procede.
But when only pump is available, to run them would be pure ignorance and stupidity. I cant believe its advertised as "map 2 intended for 93 octane" Show me one log that has not been tampered with that can run clean???????!!!!!!!

[bmwm3redblack]

Clap, just to make the things clear. If i got catless dp's,dci + Fmic can i safely run stage 2?

Catback is it compulsury or optional?