[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

just like to point out that Gavin hasn't said shit since this thread started.....

It's flattering to know I'm on your mind so much I missed you too

[TSM330i]

Quick question about running a piggyback computer.

If the stock computer finds a fault and wants to alter some parameters of the engine management system to keep the engine together and the piggyback computer just keeps doing what it wants -
Won't the engine possibly blow up since the signal was ignored?

This would be especially sensitive since you're running with boost.

[issabmw]

Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

talking about cost value. within the e90/ e92 range specifically the n52 vs n54. you guys are ridiculous

Some of us would like to sustain the properties of a naturally aspirated engine, while retaining the reliability we've come to enjoy.

Factor in the 6k+ premium, on average, of N54 vehicles to their N52 counterparts, the sentimental value many of these cars have, the greater reliability, the avoidance of selling and buying, and the relative contentedness of having over 400hp is enough to paint a clear picture.

Not everyone is after the greatest amount of power, nor does everyone desire the constant ability to 'fiddle' with the vehicle, which is the sole reason these tuning "packages", "kits" and "stages" exist like those offered by HPF, Dinan, etc, where, in which case, you don't see much fiddling once those are installed on the customers' vehicles.

Turbocharged vehicles behave very differently, and quite simply to each their own.

If you are worried about 'cost effective', wait outside of a Gucci shoppe and convince potential customers that Footlocker offers better value footwear. Until then, grow the hell up.

[issabmw]

Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

Alot.


It makes more sense. I drive a 330 btw. If I wanted power I would sell mine in a heartbeat and find a clean similar 335 and take the 7 grand I would spend for this supercharger and have way more reliable power and a nicer car.

Just seems too late and too expensive to be making this.

You wouldn't have the 7 grand because of the cost difference. Reliable power? The N54 hasn't proven itself to be the all-star you proclaim it to be, and more so your comparison to a supercharged N52 is purely speculation, derived from your rooted indifference towards the vendor and influenced by your desire to sabotage.

Nicer car? That's also highly subjective, which is also enough of a reason for most owners to improve the vehicles they already have rather than sell. Both e90s, faster maybe. Nicer, no.

Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

It also still isnt available to actually buy. Probably wont be.

The subtle influence your indifference towards Gavin has on your comments is laughable. Take your personal problems somewhere else.

[Rotorocious]

Originally Posted by issabmw

The N54 hasn't proven itself to be the all-star you proclaim it to be, and more so your comparison to a supercharged N52 is

Lol , Thanks for that book you wrote above.

Orly

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704954


You guys keep drinking the unreliable n54 Kool aid.


Cant wait to see the reliability of this Frankenstein so you guys can finally admit it was a waste of money and start parting out your money pits.

[adubey]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Lol , Thanks for that book you wrote above.

Orly

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704954


You guys keep drinking the unreliable n54 Kool aid.


Cant wait to see the reliability of this Frankenstein so you guys can finally admit it was a waste of money and start parting out your money pits.

Really enjoying the troll, his endurance is impressive.

[issabmw]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Lol , Thanks for that book you wrote above.

Orly

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704954


You guys keep drinking the unreliable n54 Kool aid.


Cant wait to see the reliability of this Frankenstein so you guys can finally admit it was a waste of money and start parting out your money pits.

Oh no, engine of the year. You got me. Not because of it's technological prowess in the performance category such that it's "truly outstanding performance has garnered it a further Engine of the Year Award", yet because of it's flawless reliability. That's why it received the award, along with the N20 that's been around long enough to evaluate reliability. They got awards because of their long track record in the reliability department. Damn, how could I have missed that.

Keep drinking the frankenstein supercharged n52 pisswater. Maybe you'll realize nobody gives two shits how you feel about where our money goes.

[Torobimmer]

loosen up your panties.

[Rotorocious]

He mad


Just give Gavin all your money, go down with the ship and it'll work out

So when are you throwing your own money down to prove me wrong?

[issabmw]

Originally Posted by tororosso1

loosen up your panties.

Hehe, I know damn well you aren't referring to me.

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

He mad


Just give Gavin all your money, go down with the ship and it'll work out

So when are you throwing your own money down to prove me wrong?

I'll throw some down when we get engine of the year. Prove you wrong? Lol, like I said, two shits.

[Francis M.]

I'm not gonna argue the cost effective data on this product. My main issue with anything MMW is their follow through on all of the products is like a bad hang over... Your pumped to fork over $$$$ on group buys and all these group buys are delayed up to a year? SMH

[RupertPupkin]

Explain how boosting the N52 retains any of its NA properties? The n54 still revs out high for a boosted engine. It also wont have the reliability that an OEM boosted engine will have. Parts wont be readily available either.

Originally Posted by issabmw

Some of us would like to sustain the properties of a naturally aspirated engine, while retaining the reliability we've come to enjoy.

Factor in the 6k+ premium, on average, of N54 vehicles to their N52 counterparts, the sentimental value many of these cars have, the greater reliability, the avoidance of selling and buying, and the relative contentedness of having over 400hp is enough to paint a clear picture.

Not everyone is after the greatest amount of power, nor does everyone desire the constant ability to 'fiddle' with the vehicle, which is the sole reason these tuning "packages", "kits" and "stages" exist like those offered by HPF, Dinan, etc, where, in which case, you don't see much fiddling once those are installed on the customers' vehicles.

Turbocharged vehicles behave very differently, and quite simply to each their own.

If you are worried about 'cost effective', wait outside of a Gucci shoppe and convince potential customers that Footlocker offers better value footwear. Until then, grow the hell up.

[DESI4life10]

Relax guys.

Honestly, who cares whether it is worth it or not worth it to get this kit. This forum is about seeing what can be done to our cars. Being in engineering, I am always up for reverse engineering things and create different products.

I also enjoy reading up on other people’s discoveries and modifications. I won't be putting a supercharger in my 328, but I am glad Gavin has given it a shot at trying something for our platform. If it fails, we at least know the limits of our engine.

Would be nice to get more technical data from Gavin, kind of like how the turbo guys do it. It is disappointing that the updates from the OP aren't very detailed, but it is nice to see pictures (need more data) every once in a while.

The N54 is definitely a great engine and I have buddies running FBO/tune on those engines with no problem at all. So in my eye the n54 is very reliable and I would have no problem buying a 335 (versus installing a supercharger in my 328)

Either way, I say we drop the trolling/ arguing and keep it more technical as that is the most important thing in the end. Hope to get some more technical updates Gavin regarding the supercharger product. Thank you for taking on this task.

[adubey]

Originally Posted by DESI4life10

Relax guys.

Honestly, who cares whether it is worth it or not worth it to get this kit. This forum is about seeing what can be done to our cars. Being in engineering, I am always up for reverse engineering things and create different products.

I also enjoy reading up on other people’s discoveries and modifications. I won't be putting a supercharger in my 328, but I am glad Gavin has given it a shot at trying something for our platform. If it fails, we at least know the limits of our engine.

Would be nice to get more technical data from Gavin, kind of like how the turbo guys do it. It is disappointing that the updates from the OP aren't very detailed, but it is nice to see pictures (need more data) every once in a while.

The N54 is definitely a great engine and I have buddies running FBO/tune on those engines with no problem at all. So in my eye the n54 is very reliable and I would have no problem buying a 335 (versus installing a supercharger in my 328)

Either way, I say we drop the trolling/ arguing and keep it more technical as that is the most important thing in the end. Hope to get some more technical updates Gavin regarding the supercharger product. Thank you for taking on this task.

[C ///M]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

Lol , Thanks for that book you wrote above.

Orly

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704954


You guys keep drinking the unreliable n54 Kool aid.


Cant wait to see the reliability of this Frankenstein so you guys can finally admit it was a waste of money and start parting out your money pits.

This thread is hilarious...

A few facts for you guys:

First, BMW's N52 also won Ward's Ten Best list 2 years in a row, 2006 and 2007...

And regarding reliability: Really? I guess call me when the N52 is part of, not just one, but TWO CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS for being UNSAFE and UNRELIABLE. I'm not even going to waste time providing links, you can look it up. Between the HPFP failures, wastegate defects, and the turbo problems with a horrible software "fix" that just stops the turbos from running at full capacity while increasing lag, they seriously need to put this thing to rest already.

All that being said, it looks like I can complete my motor swap for less than Gavin's supercharger kit price, so I'm definitely going that route. And the hardcore performance folks may think I'm crazy, but I'm taking the N55 over the N54.

[Rotorocious]

Originally Posted by C ///M

This thread is hilarious...

A few facts for you guys:

First, BMW's N52 also won Ward's Ten Best list 2 years in a row, 2006 and 2007...

And regarding reliability: Really? I guess call me when the N52 is part of, not just one, but TWO CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS for being UNSAFE and UNRELIABLE. I'm not even going to waste time providing links, you can look it up. Between the HPFP failures, wastegate defects, and the turbo problems with a horrible software "fix" that just stops the turbos from running at full capacity while increasing lag, they seriously need to put this thing to rest already.

All that being said, it looks like I can complete my motor swap for less than Gavin's supercharger kit price, so I'm definitely going that route. And the hardcore performance folks may think I'm crazy, but I'm taking the N55 over the N54.

I think I'm done arguing my point. Unless you have owned an N54 , I don't think you really have a grasp on how reliable it is.



1. You will never do a motor swap.
2. If you do end up doing it, I'd like to see how much you spend and at what point you give up.
3. N55 is harder to make more power of out. But if going pretty mild then you won't care. Turbo doesn't make as much power as the N54 Twins
4. <3


Guess we will have to see how reliable this MMW kit is. Until then everything is speculation.

[C ///M]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

I think I'm done arguing my point. Unless you have owned an N54 , I don't think you really have a grasp on how reliable it is.



1. You will never do a motor swap.
2. If you do end up doing it, I'd like to see how much you spend and at what point you give up.
3. N55 is harder to make more power of out. But if going pretty mild then you won't care. Turbo doesn't make as much power as the N54 Twins
4. <3


Guess we will have to see how reliable this MMW kit is. Until then everything is speculation.

You know...the internet is a big place... You really never know who is out there or what they have accomplished. Certainly not enough to use the word "never" towards someone else's projects. Doing so would certainly only demonstrate how simple and mechanically inept you are. And that definitely can't be you, right? So I assume that's why you immediately and completely contradicted your point #1 with point #2; I guess a better idea so you don't look like a complete ass later.. only a partial ass now. This certainly won't be my first BMW motor swap, nor am I some kid with a 328 that mommy and daddy bought me brand new that I'm going to super-turbo charge to 800hp with NOS !! Wooo!!

As far as N55 over N54, I'm only looking for 400crank in my soccer-mom mobile. And I'd rather have the better tech of the N55, the slightly better gas mileage, and the lower maintenance costs of having to rebuild 1 turbo down the line...

Cheers!

[Rotorocious]

Originally Posted by C ///M

You know...the internet is a big place... You really never know who is out there or what they have accomplished. Certainly not enough to use the word "never" towards someone else's projects. Doing so would certainly only demonstrate how simple and mechanically inept you are. And that definitely can't be you, right? So I assume that's why you immediately and completely contradicted your point #1 with point #2; I guess a better idea so you don't look like a complete ass later.. only a partial ass now. This certainly won't be my first BMW motor swap, nor am I some kid with a 328 that mommy and daddy bought me brand new that I'm going to super-turbo charge to 800hp with NOS !! Wooo!!

As far as N55 over N54, I'm only looking for 400crank in my soccer-mom mobile. And I'd rather have the better tech of the N55, the slightly better gas mileage, and the lower maintenance costs of having to rebuild 1 turbo down the line...

Cheers!

Think of it more as motivation so you can prove me wrong.
I'll be looking forward to it. Please make a thread and keep us updated.



Cheers!

[t1mmy]

Originally Posted by Rotorocious

I think I'm done arguing my point. Unless you have owned an N54 , I don't think you really have a grasp on how reliable it is.



1. You will never do a motor swap.
2. If you do end up doing it, I'd like to see how much you spend and at what point you give up.
3. N55 is harder to make more power of out. But if going pretty mild then you won't care. Turbo doesn't make as much power as the N54 Twins
4. <3


Guess we will have to see how reliable this MMW kit is. Until then everything is speculation.

Sorry, the jackass in me has to point out one thing - I disagree with your statement "Unless you have owned an N54 , I don't think you really have a grasp on how reliable it is.".

Anecdotal evidence of personal ownership vs. statistical data on the internet... you would probably lose out.

Thats assuming the data is out there, I don't know and can't be bothered to look. Just being a smartass

[Rotorocious]

Originally Posted by t1mmy

Sorry, the jackass in me has to point out one thing - I disagree with your statement "Unless you have owned an N54 , I don't think you really have a grasp on how reliable it is.".

Anecdotal evidence of personal ownership vs. statistical data on the internet... you would probably lose out.

Thats assuming the data is out there, I don't know and can't be bothered to look. Just being a smartass

[jfisher160]

Personally with the way this tread is going and since everyone has an option on a supercharger that is still being finished. I think Gavin should delete this tread until he is 100% done so we don't have to read about the bitch fights between the 328 and 335 guys.

This tread is for Gavin's supercharger not that we should buy a 335. Or motor swaps or anything like that. This is not a pissing contest. We all know at the end of the day yes a 335 you can tune it with 400hp, so what who cares, if I wanted that much power to the wheels i would of got the 335. So let's all just relax and wait until this sc comes out.

You all are like kids on who stick is bigger. Who cares.

[Rotorocious]

I'd have to agree

Sorry for trolling and hijackin💩
Just a bit defensive when it comes to my ole n54