[hooked]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No such thing.

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it? Also, thank you for your time and contributions. Very helpful!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it? Also, thank you for your time and contributions. Very helpful!

That one line is from September 2022. This is more recent by a year https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/09/21/2...nt-considered/. Between me and Horatiu, you should have a very good idea of the chances.

[ynguldyn]

Added F70 specs.

[hooked]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

That one line is from September 2022. This is more recent by a year https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/09/21/2...nt-considered/. Between me and Horatiu, you should have a very good idea of the chances.

OK. Understood and thanks. So this does seem likely to play out:

Originally Posted by hooked

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it?

That sound you hear is the sound of Hell starting to freeze over. I was comfortable that BMW would see the light and take a more balanced approach to their future vehicles but the more I read the less that looks likely.

[hooked]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

That sound you hear is the sound of Hell starting to freeze over. I was comfortable that BMW would see the light and take a more balanced approach to their future vehicles but the more I read the less that looks likely.

Me too. The first brand to exit performance ICE cars is leaving the door open for others to grab that market share. There is a segment of the market that will actively avoid buying electric cars for as long as they live or can...whichever comes first!

[Car-Addicted]

When I hear that Oliver Zipse was fired I will regain hope. While we are sacking people send Frank Weber packing.

[ynguldyn]

Added G90 specs.

[playswcars]

G90 M5 is heavier than my V8 X5. Jeez...

[phantom7835]

That G90 weight is wild, wonder how much more the G99 will be.

Really appreciate these threads, get even more product detail here than I do at work.


PS: I found some of your old Motorrad threads. I wish there was a better place to do those again without being shut down by people who have no idea what they’re talking about. Thanks again for everything.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by phantom7835

PS: I found some of your old Motorrad threads. I wish there was a better place to do those again without being shut down by people who have no idea what they’re talking about. Thanks again for everything.

Yeah, I kinda found a home for the GS stuff on advrider but not everything else. Where can I tell people that the next year's R 18 will get Brooklyn Grey and Fire Red as paint options? I'm sure there are five people in the world who would care.

[E46forthewin01]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it? Also, thank you for your time and contributions. Very helpful!

I think M division is focussed on E-drive trains. There is a lot of amazing dynamic trickery with 4 motors. Future should be bright!

[G80indy]

This is just a preview to the next M3/M4.
Heavy hybrid

[hooked]

Originally Posted by E46forthewin01

I think M division is focussed on E-drive trains. There is a lot of amazing dynamic trickery with 4 motors. Future should be bright!

Understood but the "man-machine" connection is not the same. Just hope THAT doesn't get lost in these decisions. A clever manufacturer could clean house if other major vendors abandon ICE.

[brad850csi]

I had noticed the next gen M8 will only be a Gran Coupe, but that the 8 series would be available as a Coupe and Convertible.

I think I've figured out why, the battery system is too big to fit into a shorter wheelbase car than the M5 which of course the M8 will be based on.

[823BMW]

Is a manual M240i in discussion/planning?

Most all of the development work is already done from the new 2025 Z4 manual (a B58 sending power through a reworked BMW 6 speed to a M240i rear axle assembly). Then, in the comments
88E30M3:
“Sadly it will not happen until pigs fly. Therefore, never…”
Horatiu replied “Never Know”

https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/02/19/b...-transmission/

[hooked]

Originally Posted by 823BMW

Is a manual M240i in discussion/planning?

Most all of the development work is already done from the new 2025 Z4 manual (a B58 sending power through a reworked BMW 6 speed to a M240i rear axle assembly). Then, in the comments
88E30M3:
“Sadly it will not happen until pigs fly. Therefore, never…”
Horatiu replied “Never Know”

https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/02/19/b...-transmission/

I sure hope so! The reported take rate of manuals for the M2 is ~50%. Not sure the M240i would get that high since there is an AWD option but the take rate for the M3/M4 manual is ~20% so guessing a M240i RWD manual would end up in the 30-40% range. That's pretty significant and would likely increase the overall 2-series volume as it would steal market share from the other sub $55K sporty cars with a stick; Toyota, Honda/Acura, VW, etc.

I would seriously consider trading my AWD auto for a RWD stick IF it had the manual from the 2025 Z4. For me (52yo father of 3) its simple...I'm too old for a Supra and too young for a Z4. I'm probably too old for the M240i but I love smaller cars AND the rear seat option in a pinch. I also still swap my summer and winter wheels every spring and fall so RWD is not a huge problem for me in MA.

So if the business case for this variant makes sense, could there be an agreement with Toyota that prevents it?

BMW. Make this car!

[SW19]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

There will be no exterior changes. The car will get the new iDrive and interior design improvements. Your model will not get the new B58 since it's for the US and Korea only.

Isn’t Canada also getting the new B58?Didn’t you also confirm that the only exterior change would be the optional iconic glow kidney grille?Do you also see any new exterior colors for the 3 series?

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by hooked

I sure hope so! The reported take rate of manuals for the M2 is ~50%. Not sure the M240i would get that high since there is an AWD option but the take rate for the M3/M4 manual is ~20% so guessing a M240i RWD manual would end up in the 30-40% range. That's pretty significant and would likely increase the overall 2-series volume as it would steal market share from the other sub $55K sporty cars with a stick; Toyota, Honda/Acura, VW, etc.

I would seriously consider trading my AWD auto for a RWD stick IF it had the manual from the 2025 Z4. For me (52yo father of 3) its simple...I'm too old for a Supra and too young for a Z4. I'm probably too old for the M240i but I love smaller cars AND the rear seat option in a pinch. I also still swap my summer and winter wheels every spring and fall so RWD is not a huge problem for me in MA.

So if the business case for this variant makes sense, could there be an agreement with Toyota that prevents it?

BMW. Make this car!

The F30 had a manual/AWD combo with the B58 so making a G20/G21 M340xi 6mt should possible and that would be one hell of a Dad car!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by SW19

Isn’t Canada also getting the new B58?Didn’t you also confirm that the only exterior change would be the optional iconic glow kidney grille?Do you also see any new exterior colors for the 3 series?

Sorry, I didn't mention Canada and the lit kidneys because they are very low on my list of important things.

The new colors will be the same that are being added on other models. I haven't yet seen any whose first appearance would be on a G2x model.

[V-Eight]

WTF....2435 kg curb weight for the G90 is 300+ kgs more than my F pace SVR (which is already a heavy car... even if "light" for being an SUV compared to others in its class).

[12nine]

But your F Pace is missing a battery compared to the M5.