[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

Haha, well we try.

With those numbers, one has to remember that the US has 10x our population.

It's easier to find per 100,000.
Canada 0.72 - Homicide (2018) - US 4.46
Canada 1.40 - Suicide (2018) - US 7.32

Per citizen (like I said) or per 100,000 citizens (your figures), the US looks pretty third world.

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Per citizen (like I said) or per 100,000 citizens (your figures), the US looks pretty third world.

That's right, my bad.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by premier3is

....
Also cmon man, Sedan_Clan and Murf993 are just here answering questions for us all here that we as non LE always wonder. No need to bash them. let's just keep it respectful.

If you read back you will find multiple times I have thanked & praised Murf#2 for his posts in this thread.
Under it all, he's a good Mic!

Murf

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Pics of musket?

I wanna see that beautiful musket.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I wanna see that beautiful musket.

Business end or side profile?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Business end or side profile?

Side profile. BLM!

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Side profile. BLM!

Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
A dead man's touch
Whisper on a scream
Never change a thing
Doesn't bring you back
.......................?




I kid, I kid!


(But some people...the missing lyric - they truly think this.)

[erickonphoenix]

I think the golden statistic under strict gun controls is the big reduction in suicides. It does make sense less guns probably translates into less suicides but then we're still doing nothing about our mental illness problem. The stigma related to it and limited treatment options especially for those with limited access or finances.

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Pics of musket?

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I wanna see that beautiful musket.

oh I have a musket... it even comes with the "California safety". A string with a cork on the end.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
A dead man's touch
Whisper on a scream
Never change a thing
Doesn't bring you back
.......................?




I kid, I kid!


(But some people...the missing lyric - they truly think this.)

Some people understand this?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by erickonphoenix

I think the golden statistic under strict gun controls is the big reduction in suicides. It does make sense less guns probably translates into less suicides but then we're still doing nothing about our mental illness problem. The stigma related to it and limited treatment options especially for those with limited access or finances.

oh I have a musket... it even comes with the "California safety". A string with a cork on the end.

Niiiiice! Do you ever fire it?

[Sedan_Clan]

Tip of the day!


You can be charged with second degree murder (...a Watson filing) should you kill somebody while you are driving under the influence of alcohol/drugs, street racing, etc.

[erickonphoenix]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Niiiiice! Do you ever fire it?

no but the kids do

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Tip of the day!


You can be charged with second degree murder (...a Watson filing) should you kill somebody while you are driving under the influence of alcohol/drugs, street racing, etc.

My personal fave is getting hit by someone when you're under the influence then getting arrested for DWI. Almost happened to me but I think middle aged white privilege stepped in and they said "it wasn't your fault so just be more careful next time".

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Some people understand this?

Certainly. In the sense that they interpret it in one of a number of possible ways, or accept it as plausible without utter certainty. In that vein of "understanding", yes.

And I see you're still smarting from my Captain Obvious comment to you as I've noted you've tried to work it in to a few of your posts - I felt now is the time to let you know it was me who made that comment, though you've attributed it to another member already which privately amused me.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Certainly. In the sense that they interpret it in one of a number of possible ways, or accept it as plausible without utter certainty. In that vein of "understanding", yes.

And I see you're still smarting from my Captain Obvious comment to you as I've noted you've tried to work it in to a few of your posts - I felt now is the time to let you know it was me who made that comment, though you've attributed it to another member already which privately amused me.

Thanks for explaining that to me! Sometimes the meaning of lyrics are not obvious, and I am a bit of a literalist.

You are not the first to use the C.O. comment; I use it on my wife often!
I don't think you are saying it isn't often applicable on this forum?

Smarting!!! Couldn't you just say 'perturbed'?

Murf

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by erickonphoenix

no but the kids do

My personal fave is getting hit by someone when you're under the influence then getting arrested for DWI. Almost happened to me but I think middle aged white privilege stepped in and they said "it wasn't your fault so just be more careful next time".

That does occur sometimes, but at least you weren't the primary cause of the accident.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Exactly! If I wanted to break the law, I could 3D print myself some parts, buy the other unserialized parts I need elsewhere and have ghost guns galore.

Nothing illegal about that, unless you are in California. Too bad for you.

People in the free states can legally manufacture their own guns.

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Nothing illegal about that, unless you are in California. Too bad for you.

People in the free states can legally manufacture their own guns.

Lol we can too, we just need to request a serial number and register it afterwards

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

Lol we can too, we just need to request a serial number and register it afterwards

^^^This.


...but yes, California sucks. Beware, some states are being California'd as we speak.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Nothing illegal about that, unless you are in California. Too bad for you.

People in the free states can legally manufacture their own guns.

Gotta love folks who cheer on uncontrolled gun proliferation!
Quick, look behind you....

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

^^^This.


...but yes, California sucks. Beware, some states are being California'd as we speak.

What are we to "beware" of? An explosion of Saturday Night specials?
Saturday night specials have existed for ever. Usually cops know better than to mourn control of them.

Murf

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by premier3is

Like I said, I really have no solution but maybe we can start off by outlawing owning automatic rifles by civilians? I'd love to know why a regular person should be allowed to own one.

Because they are the best tool for the job. Modern equipment works better.

Because you are "allowed" to own a modern computer instead of having to rely on a quill and parchment or even a printing press.

Because you are "allowed" to own a modern, high-powered automobile when a horse and buggy would suffice. Or just walk.

Because you are "allowed" to own pretty much whatever you want in America, so long as you are not doing harm to others. Want to own a big-ass yacht? Go buy one. Want to own a private jet to fly you around to conferences on global warming? Knock yourself out, Al.

Someone else wrote this, but I'm quoting it here because I agree with it.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is a pretty absolute statement. It is "the right of the people," hence the right is connected to, and possessed by, the PEOPLE. To "keep and bear arms" obviously means to "maintain ownership and possession of," and "to carry upon one's person" arms (of the types that can be owned and carried). "Shall not be infringed" is the requirement no govt. may attack said right: the word "shall" is an "imperative," meaning it's not polite asking, it means "you WILL comply". The government CANNOT "infringe" the right. I think many either do not really understand or deliberately ignore this word. "Infringe" has two meanings in my dictionary; 1.) To intrude into. 2.) To diminish. If one cannot intrude into, say, a room, one may by definition not touch, alter, or enter into the room to perform any function in said room. If it must not be diminished, then by definition it must remain whole.

We have certain rational exclusions that have long been true; for example, felons and excons are generally prohibited from owning or carrying arms as they have been adjudicated guilty in a court of law. Children who are below "the age of understanding" cannot handle guns as they won't comprehend the consequences of misuse or might accidently hurt themselves or others.

But a adult who is in full possession of his rights, is not an excon, must not have his rights under the Second Amendment be abbreviated, diminished, or altered. In this sense, it is absolute.

Not ALL gun laws will necessarily injure 2A rights. A jurisdiction may decide that open carry is lawful, or that the weapon must be concealed. But one, the other, or both, must be permitted.
A point of contention may be conceal carry permits vs. "Constitutional Carry." Must a citizen request "permission" to carry? I suppose if the law is "must issue" such a law can be acceptable, but not "may issue," as capricious officials might deny a permit based on whim or political ideology.

Just to clarify what our 2nd Amendment does: It protects our right to arms; it does not grant the right to arms. It limits the government's authority to regulate arms. The right to keep and bear arms is a natural right. It is inherent to being a US citizen. It is a God given right and that is a right that can not be taken away by government.

The scholars who created this country knew exactly what they were saying when they wrote the Constitution. The Constitution establishes our country and limits what powers the government has. The first 10 amendments, the Bill of Rights, is a list of limitations to the government's powers. The founding fathers knew that these individual rights were so important, that they had to place strict limits on the government authority so that the government couldn't infringe on these rights.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Gotta love folks who cheer on uncontrolled gun proliferation!
Quick, look behind you....

Gotta love folks who cheer on uncontrolled government power!

Quick, look in a mirror...