[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

You can run methanol on any tune. The difference is the piggybacks integrate with flow controllers/failsafe and switch between high and low boost maps depending on flow. Naturally, the Procede PWM kit goes above and beyond as it maps the right amount of flow based on several factors.

You can still run methanol on a Cobb tune but you need to have all your ducks in order with a proper fail safe and 3rd party controls. Naturally, on stage 1 its quite useless as the benefit of methanol is only found when turning up the boost and adding ignition.

This is what I figured. Thanks! It also explains how all those flashed evos run meth.

[Black Sheep]

Originally Posted by kdiggz

we have hit 100 pages! i think a release of stage 2 maps would be a great way to celebrate this milestone

[nitehawk]

Not sure if this has been answered before...Are all of Cobb's dyno graphs on a Dynojet?

[mithiral67]

cobb uses an in house mustang dyno. So the hps numbers will be lower than dynojets

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Sounds like your just arguing for arguments sake.
Your opinions on the matter are quite moot. Failsafes are designed to let you know there is a problem. Whether they are 100% bullet proof is up for discussion (and one I find quite pointless) but at the end of the day it is better then running blind.

what did I say that made you think I was arguing? I was just stating a simple fact that there's no proof to back up the claim that a flow sensor integrated into a piggy will prevent engine failure and act as a "true" failsafe...This is why, in my opinion (take it however you like), its wrong to refer to the integration as a "failsafe" setup...To be referred to as a "failsafe" it needs to be proven that without it the engine will fail if meth runs out at the power/boost levels we're dealing with...

Are my opinions moot because they don't go in hand with your inventory? lol

I ran and still do run a coolingmist flow sensor which I used to refer to as a failsafe as well while I was running it with the procede...now that I'm running a flash I refer to it rightfully as a "flow sensor" which is at the moment hooked up to a flow gauge that I can monitor...I will say as well that I do prefer having it integrated with the tune like it is on the piggies, however, "failsafe" wording is wrong

Originally Posted by FastBimmerN54

I expected a better response then this from someone like you

What exactly did you not like about my response?

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

cobb uses an in house mustang dyno. So the hps numbers will be lower than dynojets

I see. How much so? ~15% less?

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

I see. How much so? ~15% less?

They've been said to vary anywhere from 8% to 12% less than Dynojets, not sure maybe more...i'd take 8% to keep expectations in line

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by dzenno

They've been said to vary anywhere from 8% to 12% less than Dynojets, not sure maybe more...i'd take 8% to keep expectations in line

Good to know...I'm just curious to see how Cobb S2 stacks up against some of the posted GIAC S2 graphs.

[Black Sheep]

Time will tell

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by dzenno

what did I say that made you think I was arguing? I was just stating a simple fact that there's no proof to back up the claim that a flow sensor integrated into a piggy will prevent engine failure and act as a "true" failsafe...This is why, in my opinion (take it however you like), its wrong to refer to the integration as a "failsafe" setup...To be referred to as a "failsafe" it needs to be proven that without it the engine will fail if meth runs out at the power/boost levels we're dealing with...

Are my opinions moot because they don't go in hand with your inventory? lol

I ran and still do run a coolingmist flow sensor which I used to refer to as a failsafe as well while I was running it with the procede...now that I'm running a flash I refer to it rightfully as a "flow sensor" which is at the moment hooked up to a flow gauge that I can monitor...I will say as well that I do prefer having it integrated with the tune like it is on the piggies, however, "failsafe" wording is wrong



What exactly did you not like about my response?

As always like many members they take what I say as some sort of sales tactic and assumptions of my inventory are always made.

There was no sales pitch in any part of my post.

More importantly your words of wisdom suggest that I somehow said that failsafes and flow sensors somehow 100% guarantee you wont blow your engine..... Where did I say this? <--- This was my problem with your post.

The problem with your post is simple you threw a bunch of words in my mouth.

All I said is how the current piggybacks integrate methanol and what you can do if you had a Cobb.

Your opinions are moot because you just said yourself you run a flow sensor for nothing only then peace of mind in knowing what is going on and that is exactly what I sought after for anyone else running any instruments.

Now all of a sudden your importance of instruments have changed in your latest post.

Please stop with the vendor attacks, they are getting old quite frankly.

[dzenno]

LOL

1) you're funny and amusing

2) no one is attacking you. What're you talking about seriously?

3) nothing changed with respect to the "importance of my instruments" whatever that's supposed to mean

4) This is the 2nd time ever I responded to a post by you in a question type manner. First was when you made a thread posting about the new rev3 procede and something about 2-step and NLS pioneering on the procede when in fact it was the WOTBox guys who introduced it. After you pm-ed me asking me to remove the post I asked you to edit/remove that claim which you did and I removed that post from your thread. That also wasn't an attack either, just a correction or a statement.

5) Of course you have a sales tactic, you're a vendor, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact if you didn't have it you wouldn't be doing too well I'm sure you wouldn't care if I made a comment to you about something you didn't sell.

6) You've just turned a harmless post about failsafe vs flow sensor into a debate...why?

Aaaanyway, no offense, moving on..

[FastBimmerN54]

Originally Posted by dzenno

what did I say that made you think I was arguing? I was just stating a simple fact that there's no proof to back up the claim that a flow sensor integrated into a piggy will prevent engine failure and act as a "true" failsafe...This is why, in my opinion (take it however you like), its wrong to refer to the integration as a "failsafe" setup...To be referred to as a "failsafe" it needs to be proven that without it the engine will fail if meth runs out at the power/boost levels we're dealing with...

Are my opinions moot because they don't go in hand with your inventory? lol

I ran and still do run a coolingmist flow sensor which I used to refer to as a failsafe as well while I was running it with the procede...now that I'm running a flash I refer to it rightfully as a "flow sensor" which is at the moment hooked up to a flow gauge that I can monitor...I will say as well that I do prefer having it integrated with the tune like it is on the piggies, however, "failsafe" wording is wrong



What exactly did you not like about my response?

Jeff's post are completely neutral and unbiased and he says how people can integrate Cobb in safer manner and you put him on blast for no reason when he's just trying to help. Uncalled for.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by dzenno

LOL

1) you're funny and amusing

2) no one is attacking you. What're you talking about seriously?

3) nothing changed with respect to the "importance of my instruments" whatever that's supposed to mean

4) This is the 2nd time ever I responded to a post by you in a question type manner. First was when you made a thread posting about the new rev3 procede and something about 2-step and NLS pioneering on the procede when in fact it was the WOTBox guys who introduced it. After you pm-ed me asking me to remove the post I asked you to edit/remove that claim which you did and I removed that post from your thread. That also wasn't an attack either, just a correction or a statement.

5) Of course you have a sales tactic, you're a vendor, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact if you didn't have it you wouldn't be doing too well I'm sure you wouldn't care if I made a comment to you about something you didn't sell.

6) You've just turned a harmless post about failsafe vs flow sensor into a debate...why?

Aaaanyway, no offense, moving on..

We can continue this or I can end it right now... You are in the wrong. Move along now.

[Clap135]

lol, i love to argue but I cant even try to argue in this one if i wanted to....pretty pointless. Keep it going though, ill come up with something lol

Oh heres one, dzenno said even the all might clap said the wot box didnt work....well guess what, they\ version they said works, didnt, and they made it work, so i guess the all mighty clap, as it was put, was right again. Carry on lol

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by FastBimmerN54

Jeff's post are completely neutral and unbiased and he says how people can integrate Cobb in safer manner and you put him on blast for no reason when he's just trying to help. Uncalled for.

dude i'm not blasting anyone...i guess it came out that way because I quoted him in my post, did I? I'll remove the quote if that'll make it sound as a more broadly intended comment...that wasn't against him at all and that wasn't my intention...Jeff's a great vendor...i was talking about failsafe vs. flow sensor, geez

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

We can continue this or I can end it right now... You are in the wrong. Move along now.

LOL ok...let's move on

[FastBimmerN54]

Reading his first post about the subject he mentions failsafes and 3rd party controls which would encompass any and all methanol controllers for safety. As a vendor I would expect any of them to atleast mention products that may save your motor VS nothing at all. As much as it can be a sales tactics he didnt mention any products to purchase or use he was simply offering advice. That advice is better then telling people they dont need anything and to run blind so to speak. My interpretation of his post was that he had genuine intentions on explaining what you may want to use if you run methanol. It sounds like there is misunderstandings of intentions from both parties which is no surprise on the internet. Glad you guys can just move on that quick.

[Q4P]

Lol, i got my answer in the first 2 posts but thanks for all of the clarification.

[mithiral67]

Great work Cobb, more fighting and disagreements that could have been prevented by the release of stage 2. Just selfish bearded bastards.

[spdnman]

Originally Posted by EastCoast335i

FBO = Full Bolt Ons

Thanks.

[Rob@Cobb]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Great work Cobb, more fighting and disagreements that could have been prevented by the release of stage 2. Just selfish bearded bastards.

[sonyakova]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Works fine....just like Meth on the stock tune. There's nothing outside of a failsafe to intergeate. The e u does all the work instantly.

The CLAP is back!!! ohh snap