Expiriencing some problems. (E92 w/ Procede)

sstarch1 · 03-25-2007, 09:05 PM

Hey guys,

Wanted to let you know about some things.

So yesterday i was revving around town and noticed that my engine was acting all WEIRD, like it wasnt getting enough fuel, sort of like the feeling you get when the car is about to run out of gas or something.

After i stopped for a while, and drove the car again, the issue didnt come back untill i reved up a little over 4000 rpm, same shit, feels very sluggish, the exhaust note changes dramatically. A little later, "Service Engine Soon" comes on.

Then today, when driving around, the Engine half full/half empty light comes on in the center information display and engine goes into limp mode.

I will probably be taking the Procede out in the next couple of days and then getting it to the dealer.

Just wanted to let you guys know of the problems, and if you know of any reason this would protentially be happening.

FYI (ive already has a fuel pump replaced before i got my procede)

Step.

ArmyBimmerDude · 03-25-2007, 09:11 PM

Another bad fuel pump? By the way, you should post this in the Vishnu forum so they can help you out fast, if you want it.

PresaMat · 03-25-2007, 09:35 PM

sstartch this happened to me yesterday. It has to do with the fuel pump call up your dealership and tell them you have the fuel pump issue.

Mat

KL2DC · 03-25-2007, 09:35 PM

sorry to hear that Stephan...

as armybimmerdude suspects, it might be the fuel pump or perhaps the MAF sensor?

What gas did you fill up with? Might also be bad gas?

carl_lazlo · 03-25-2007, 09:37 PM

That was the EXACT same thing that happened to me last week. Car has been in the shop since Wednesday. I'm still waiting for the dealer to get back to me on what they think the issue is, but they are leaning towards a fuel pump problem.

chris202 · 03-25-2007, 09:45 PM

do you have a code reader to plug into the car? would that tell you the problem anyway?

sstarch1 · 03-25-2007, 09:51 PM

Question is...

a) since i had a bad fuel pump before i got the procede and they replaced it wih a "more adequate" unit. Would they look for other issues? And investigate the ECU area this time? ETC/....?

b) would there be any reason at all for me to take out the procede, i defintely dont think they would blame a Fuel pump issue on the procede, but maybe they would write it down for future issues?

c) the gas i had in my tank at the time when this started happening was Shell V-power, and ive been filling up at that gas station ever since i moved to alexandria. And today i filled up at a station at which my friend who knows the gas dristributor in the area, and he said that that reason he fills up at that station every time is becuase they dont put ANY ethanol in the gas.

d) If this IS another fuel pump issue, there is the complete difference in the way that the exhaust note sounds. When the fuel pump would set off the limp mode before, i did not expirince the same note as i do today, if i rev the eninge to more than 3000K (approx.) or demand power by pressing the gas pedal too far. Is it because the Procede is fighting with the ECU on weather to enable Limp mode, or to deliver the higher boost targets?

Anyway...i am sad.

gonzo · 03-25-2007, 09:54 PM

yikes...

KL2DC · 03-25-2007, 09:54 PM

It might be pt d)...

I would remove the procede is possible prior to checkup.

GL Stephan.

SpiralOut · 03-25-2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KL2DC

It might be pt d)...

I would remove the procede is possible prior to checkup.

GL Stephan.

I agree. It doesn't take long at all to take it out, so you might as well just to be safe. Keep us informed on what they tell ya. Good luck.

OpenFlash · 03-25-2007, 10:22 PM

Talked to my dealership yesterday and they are seeing more and more fuel pump problems. Seems to happen to cars with less than 5k miles. In other words, if you have higher mileage and your still running just fine, chances are that you got a good fuel pump and your golden. If you have one of the bad fuel pumps, it'll show up reasonably early in the life of your car. And if you are tuned to make power power (ie, PROcede), the extra fuel demands will make the problem show up sooner than it would have otherwise. Just remove it, take it to the dealership and tell them that you have a fuel pump problem. BMW is in short supply of the good pumps so they haven't made this an official recall yet

Also, when that "Service Engine Light" comes on, that means that there is a code that can be read by any standard OBD-II code reader. Go to any repair shop (doesn't have to be the dealership) and get it read. This will tell you exactly what happened and why it is happening. No need to guess.

-shiv

RetroGamerJP · 03-25-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Talked to my dealership yesterday and they are seeing more and more fuel pump problems. Seems to happen to cars with less than 5k miles. In other words, if you have higher mileage and your still running just fine, chances are that you got a good fuel pump and your golden. If you have one of the bad fuel pumps, it'll show up reasonably early in the life of your car. And if you are tuned to make power power (ie, PROcede), the extra fuel demands will make the problem show up sooner than it would have otherwise. Just remove it, take it to the dealership and tell them that you have a fuel pump problem. BMW is in short supply of the good pumps so they haven't made this an official recall yet

-shiv

Shiv... are there two fuel pumps in the 335? If so... do you happen to know which is the one failing?

teknochild · 03-25-2007, 10:31 PM

how many w/ proceed have had the fuel pump fail now, i know its over a couple now

PresaMat · 03-25-2007, 10:34 PM

Do you think it would be ok to take the car to the dealership without removing the procede?

Mat

OpenFlash · 03-25-2007, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teknochild

how many w/ proceed have had the fuel pump fail now, i know its over a couple now

I think I know of 4 people who have been experiencing this symptom now. None local to me (I haven't seen it firsthand, unfortunately). And 2 of them had actually felt the problem at least once before installing the PROcede. There are over 100 PROcedes on the road at this time. There will be another 100 on the road in the next 2-3 weeks. I suspect we'll see a few more in the next few weeks. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. It's just a waiting game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PresaMat

Do you think it would be ok to take the car to the dealership without removing the procede?

Mat

Chances are that you'll be fine leaving it in since the fuel pump swap doesn't involve inspecting your ECU. But if you aren't friendly with your service manager or a technician, I'd play it safe and remove it.

Shiv

sstarch1 · 03-25-2007, 10:49 PM

Shiv,

Is this still your best guess since ive ALREADY had my fuel pump fixed (i.e. got a new one). I would obviously think that BMW would put in a "better" pump, instead of just replacing a broken unit with an identical working unit, especially with the increasing volume of malfunctions...

Step.

OpenFlash · 03-25-2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstarch1

Shiv,

Is this still your best guess since ive ALREADY had my fuel pump fixed (i.e. got a new one). I would obviously think that BMW would put in a "better" pump, instead of just replacing a broken unit with an identical working unit, especially with the increasing volume of malfunctions...

Step.

Is your Check Engine light still on? If so, get the code read tomorrow by any local shop/garage. Without that info, we're really just guessing. Considering that you've had the PROcede installed for a few weeks now and that I installed it (albeit at a gas station in the middle of the night

), I think we can rule out installation issue.

Shiv

Nyulak · 03-25-2007, 11:27 PM

I had a limp mode problem that turned out to be a bad fuel injector. The car would shudder a little bit at idle. I really couldn't get it to go past 2500 RPM, which is what limp mode does it seems. After having it replaced, I haven't had any problems, although it only has been about 200 miles since the repair. I will be getting my PROcede installed in April at the next dyno meet, so I guess we'll see if I can cause another problem.

radgator1 · 03-25-2007, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstarch1

Shiv,

Is this still your best guess since ive ALREADY had my fuel pump fixed (i.e. got a new one). I would obviously think that BMW would put in a "better" pump, instead of just replacing a broken unit with an identical working unit, especially with the increasing volume of malfunctions...

Step.

That's what I was wondering exactly. Maybe Matt might know, but is the replacement pump exactly the same as the one that came on the car? If so it is possible you could have been twice unlucky, but that seems like pretty long odds.

OpenFlash · 03-26-2007, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radgator1

That's what I was wondering exactly. Maybe Matt might know, but is the replacement pump exactly the same as the one that came on the car? If so it is possible you could have been twice unlucky, but that seems like pretty long odds.

FWIW, I know of two "recalls" that a local BMW technician informed me of. One is for the fuel pump. And the other is for the ignition coils. The pump is pretty well documented. The ignition coil problem is more rare but easy to determine because there were 2 suppliers of the coils to BMW. Appearantly, the dealership techs check to see see which ones you have when you go in complaning of misfire. If you have the bad batch, they swap them out for the good ones. It sounded like the problem was isolated to a relatively small production run of cars. But it is someone to consider.

Shiv

Inkidoo · 03-26-2007, 02:30 AM

It sucks that this problem is showing up for many. I have had 9000 miles and no problems regarding the Fuel Pump or the Fuel Injectors. But, I don't have the PROcede yet. I had a problem with the transmision, sometimes it doesn't want to put P (Park) or does a little brutal noice when putting it on D (Drive).
Anyways, hopefully things such as the Fuel Pumps will get soved pretty soon.

sstarch1 · 03-26-2007, 10:28 AM

Alright, i have an appointment with BMW of Fairfax tomorrow, and im going to un-install the Procede today after work.

Has anyone dont this before....after looking at the install video it seems easy to do, but im just wondering.....

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sstarch1 From Russia With Boost 37 Rep 1,076 Posts Drives: E92 335i - Vroom Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alexandria, VA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	Question is... a) since i had a bad fuel pump before i got the procede and they replaced it wih a "more adequate" unit. Would they look for other issues? And investigate the ECU area this time? ETC/....? b) would there be any reason at all for me to take out the procede, i defintely dont think they would blame a Fuel pump issue on the procede, but maybe they would write it down for future issues? c) the gas i had in my tank at the time when this started happening was Shell V-power, and ive been filling up at that gas station ever since i moved to alexandria. And today i filled up at a station at which my friend who knows the gas dristributor in the area, and he said that that reason he fills up at that station every time is becuase they dont put ANY ethanol in the gas. d) If this IS another fuel pump issue, there is the complete difference in the way that the exhaust note sounds. When the fuel pump would set off the limp mode before, i did not expirince the same note as i do today, if i rev the eninge to more than 3000K (approx.) or demand power by pressing the gas pedal too far. Is it because the Procede is fighting with the ECU on weather to enable Limp mode, or to deliver the higher boost targets? Anyway...i am sad. __________________ 2007 BMW 335i - Delivered 9/8/06 Sparkling Grpahite with Black Leather/Aluminum Trim Premium Package, Sports Package, Comfort Access.
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