09-20-2023, 01:30 PM | #45 | |
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A M2 with a 6MT is "THE" car, but I haven't heard one person even remotely approve of the manual in the car. Pretty frustrating given I have to throw down the cash on a gamble and hope I picked right once its shows up and I have to do paperwork |
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It's universally approved as a good manual. The only criticism there was, wasn't even of the transmission itself, but the gearing ratio (Throttle House, saying it was dead under 3k RPM). So, maybe you meant the opposite? |
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And not only was TH wrong, but it had nothing to do do with gearing. Not even a little. It had to do with with boost threshold. Not turbo lag, not gearing. But really, the problem with TH is that they refused to be in proper gear, and poor drivers are indeed a fatal flaw in all manual transmissions. |
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I thought BMW fully embraced the milk-analogy in their lineup by calling the M cars "full-fat", and the other ones "M-lite". Homo milk is "whole milk" here in Canada. Maybe BMW is doing this: M240i (M-Lite) M2 (Homo) M2 CS (10%, Cream) M2 CSL (35%, Heavy Cream) |
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Who reproved it? |
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I think I’m being generous with a starting price of $120 for the M2 CS… but BMW may surprise us with a bargain under 120. Highly doubt it. Very niche. And with an automatic, I personally have yet another reason to not look forward to it. But it’ll look aggressive and be special, that’s for sure. Lucky those that want/can get it. |
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09-21-2023, 07:36 PM | #52 | |
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The TH review I found frustrating as I do enjoy them, it’s great fun content to watch. But the M2 review seemed like a throwaway as it could not possibly live up to the somehow mystical F87. It was some of the most biased content I have seen from them. In terms of reviewer hate aesthetically, I think most people misunderstand this M2 because it’s a “M2” to me, this car is a throwback to the aesthetic traits of a e30 M3… but you can’t call it an M3, because there is already an M3 🤣. This car isn’t trying to be the beautiful lines of the last M2, it’s more of a tribute to the square strong lines of the M car of the 1980s and 1990s Last edited by Rate-of-Twist; 09-21-2023 at 07:46 PM.. |
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BMW has very precise terms for their flavors of M, it's all marketing speak, but if I recall it's: "M" (just "M" or "motorsport") is the top tier; cosmetics (badging, trim), track tuned engine, suspension, the works. ex: the M2. "M Performance" is cosmetics plus sometimes a tuned engine, but not a M engine ("S" model), nor stuff like full slip e-diff. ex: the M240i. "M Sport" is just cosmetics, no performance upgrades. Aka, a 2 Series with M trim package. That's how I think it works. There's an image floating around the forum that describes it in more detail. Last edited by Squidget; 09-21-2023 at 10:09 PM.. |
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The things that F87 are "good at" are being hard to control and being a more stripped down old-fashioned experience. But I don't value those things, YMMV. I don't consider poor handling to be a "feature." Even if I did I'd still buy the better car and then just put crappy tires on it when I wanted to hoon around. Now if we are comparing to the F87C or F87CS, there's more to talk about. I'd still take a base G87 over an F87C, but I can understand why others would choose the F87C. The F87CS probably outperforms the G87, but for the price difference it damn well should. |
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Couple of new pics of the M2 CS which was spotted several weeks back.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cx7uvuDsBVR/?hl=en https://www.instagram.com/p/Cx8TImOsoMd/?hl=en |
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I would imagine a lot of people would when the car comes out. We wont really know until we get something other than camo pics of test mules. Could be 500 hp with a manual transmission, even crazier seats, Cup 2R tires, etc. Or could be a tune, tires, and cosmetics. At this point, it's all speculation.
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I like the manual! |
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To be fair, if I recall correctly, Thomas did say the G87 was objectively better in nearly every way (except maybe steering feel?) than the F87, he would just prefer the F87, which is fine because he owns one.
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The disservice done was that is was a favorable review said in a way that made it sound as if it was inferior in someway - kinda like delivering a solid compliment while frowning at someone. I should add, I don’t have a dog in the fight per we as I haven’t owned either of the cars or any BMW to this point. I was a fan of the F87 and I’m a fan of the G87 and considering purchasing one |
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