[//M235ixD]

BMW M Says The Dual-Clutch Gearbox Is Dead And So Will The Manual After The M2 G87

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[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by //M235ixD

BMW M Says The Dual-Clutch Gearbox Is Dead And So Will The Manual After The M2 G87

https://flip.it/qTczOL

Welcome to 2022.

[M2siast]

This is for M.
The dual clutch will survive a few years still…

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by M2siast

This is for M.
The dual clutch will survive a few years still…

Porsche&Merc and others are already in the hybrid DCT market. BMW just doesn't want to spend any R&D on it.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Porsche&Merc and others are already in the hybrid DCT market. BMW just doesn't want to spend any R&D on it.

I meant BMW still uses the DCT, just not in M vehicles.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I meant BMW still uses the DCT, just not in M vehicles.

Wow. I didn't know that. Which models come with DCT?

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I meant BMW still uses the DCT, just not in M vehicles.

My point is "No R&D on DCT from BMW." They use off-the-shelf DCT for FWD architecture from Mini.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Wow. I didn't know that. Which models come with DCT?

To my knowledge MINIs and the BMW X1. Not sure if it’s used in other models (especially those not available in North America). I’d bet it’s used in some obscure model we don’t get, even more so if also based on a shared MINI platform.

[JustinHEMI]

Which version of G87? Many of us suspect next iterations will be auto only.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

My point is "No R&D on DCT from BMW." They use off-the-shelf DCT for FWD architecture from Mini.

To my knowledge BMWs DCTs were always supplied by someone, namely Magna (still the supplier for current 2023 DCTs).

Porsche’s PDKs (acclaimed as best in business) are supplied by ZF.

So, manufacturers never spend too much R&D on these things as transmissions in general are always supplied by someone (Getrag, ZF, Magna, etc.)

[//M235ixD]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Which version of G87? Many of us suspect next iterations will be auto only.

Correct! even M2 CS will be auto only. They will offer manual TM for current gen M2 untill 2029 according to this blog.

[BRAKE!]

Always knew it would happen at some point, kinda sad to hear there is an end date for sure. Oh well, still available to enjoy for now.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by M2siast

To my knowledge BMWs DCTs were always supplied by someone, namely Magna (still the supplier for current 2023 DCTs).

Porsche’s PDKs (acclaimed as best in business) are supplied by ZF.

So, manufacturers never spend too much R&D on these things as transmissions in general are always supplied by someone (Getrag, ZF, Magna, etc.)

No, Getrag DCT for E92 M3 was specifically developed for that vehicle and for future M cars to come. Ferrari simply followed BMW's development on the matter and used the same unit across all their models from that point on.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...ic?language=en

Albert Biermann weighing on that matter:

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

No, Getrag DCT for E92 M3 was specifically developed for that vehicle and for future M cars to come. Ferrari simply followed BMW's development on the matter and used the same unit across all their models from that point on.

Albert Biermann weighing on that matter:

Great video with Albert here. It's a shame BMW couldn't continue to refine this DCT. If Ferrari is still using it, why couldn't BMW do the same... ?

[VIERsr]

Perhaps because the DCT would have required too many modifications to be compatible with the xDrive, the ZF8 is therefore the most cost-effective option.
Go back to 2007, when the DKG was designed, and try to think of an M car with all-wheel drive: that would have been laughable.

[10"]

Xdrive + Slushbox future = 🤮🤮🤮

[mrjbb77]

Originally Posted by M2siast

To my knowledge BMWs DCTs were always supplied by someone, namely Magna (still the supplier for current 2023 DCTs).

Porsche’s PDKs (acclaimed as best in business) are supplied by ZF.

So, manufacturers never spend too much R&D on these things as transmissions in general are always supplied by someone (Getrag, ZF, Magna, etc.)

Let's not take away from a car manufacturers engineering...

Porsche's PDK is supplied by ZF, BUT "ZF is the manufacturer and they build it to Porsche's specs" meaning they built the PDK in conjunction and entirely based off of Porsche's specs. They're just the manufacturer, without Porsches engineering there'd be no PDK. With that being said, PDK isn't TRULY a ZF transmission as it isn't manufactured to ZF specifications.

Same with BMW and their E chassis DCT, made to their spec for their M cars.

[Chet for short]

Originally Posted by 10"

Xdrive + Slushbox future = 🤮🤮🤮

I'll be looking elsewhere in that BMW dystopia future.