[02M3ForMe]

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Pistonheads drives the G87 back to back with the E46 CSL and gives their thoughts on both.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

This was an excellent review of the G87 M2 & just goes to show how this car is in a different league compared to the best M car of 20 years ago!

[ghaffari46]

I used to have a E46 330i coupe, manual. I still remember the smell of leather and beautiful and functional interior of that car. Nimble, light, beautiful and fast.
Looking forward to get my new M2 next month.
Very high bar for the poor new M2!

[T_U_D]

Hate to burst the bubble, but this has previously been posted.

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...postcount=1295

[antzcrashing]

M2 lacks hydraulic steering and a naturally aspired engine. For these reasons, the E46 M3 is better. Sorry.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Modern day BMW lacks hydraulic steering and a naturally aspired engine. For these reasons, the E46 M3 is better. Sorry.

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And that's your opinion of course. I'm fine with EPS if done right and FI is absolutely great in the S58. Plenty of benefits going FI over a NA setup.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

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And that's your opinion of course. I'm fine with EPS if done right and FI is absolutely great in the S58. Plenty of benefits going FI over a NA setup.

Yes of course, any modern day bmw is FI and electronic steering, it is the greener and better for mass production profits option of all modern vehicles. And it can approach but usually doesn’t equal the feel of the old-school alternatives. In my opinion.

The M2 is a wonderful car in overall design, and its smaller size than the M3/M4 make it one of the best E46 M like options out there with new technology especially the infotainment which is not there in the e46 (of course).

Anyone still holding a well-maintained e46 is my true envy though, they have a steller machine

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

I used to have a E46 330i coupe, manual. I still remember the smell of leather and beautiful and functional interior of that car. Nimble, light, beautiful and fast.
Looking forward to get my new M2 next month.
Very high bar for the poor new M2!

Same. I had 4 of them. 323ci, 330ic manual, 330ic auto, and M3 manual. Absolutely brilliant cars. In a Z4 at the moment, which is lighter than the modern M cars but not as special. If they don’t offer a manual, I might pop over to the M2.

[Piyush]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

M2 lacks hydraulic steering and a naturally aspired engine. For these reasons, the E46 M3 is better. Sorry.

If BMW m division brings the hydraulic steering from E90 era I would buy the M2 in a heart beat. They could keep the EPS for non M models.

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

M2 lacks hydraulic steering and a naturally aspired engine. For these reasons, the E46 M3 is better. Sorry.

At least the steering is better than the F chassis.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Yes of course, any modern day bmw is FI and electronic steering, it is the greener and better for mass production profits option of all modern vehicles. And it can approach but usually doesn’t equal the feel of the old-school alternatives. In my opinion.

The M2 is a wonderful car in overall design, and its smaller size than the M3/M4 make it one of the best E46 M like options out there with new technology especially the infotainment which is not there in the e46 (of course).

Anyone still holding a well-maintained e46 is my true envy though, they have a steller machine

The sound of the E46 M3 is nasty (in a good way).

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by Piyush

If BMW m division brings the hydraulic steering from E90 era I would buy the M2 in a heart beat. They could keep the EPS for non M models.

When pigs fly.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

At least the steering is better than the F chassis.

I don’t hate the steering in my F36, but it was at the latter part with facelift so maybe bmw put some extra tweeking in there, but when I drive my Dad’s 2007 Z4 (or recall the drive of the E46 or e90) it was superior

[nachob]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

M2 lacks hydraulic steering and a naturally aspired engine. For these reasons, the E46 M3 is better. Sorry.

it's also smaller, lighter for me..so I also still prefer the m3, but glad the reviewers like it.

[marlinduke]

While I thoroughly appreciate the exquisite sensitivity of my departed 911SC's (non-power-assisted) rack, Porsche has clearly figured this out (see this Pistonhead's article from a decade ago).

There are many things we have to accommodate ourselves to in these modern times (and hopefully BMW will continue to climb the learning curve for EPAS).

[buckybadger]

It’s more safer. These reviewers forget to mention the safety standards of modern cars.

I’d be comfortable to put my kids in the backseat of the G87. Not so sure about the E46 CSL.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

M2 lacks hydraulic steering and a naturally aspired engine. For these reasons, the E46 M3 is better. Sorry.

NA road legal high power engines are a thing of the past soon. Difficult to make that much HP in a NA engine without a LOT of displacement.

And electric power steering is here to stay. The racks may last longer, and may be less complicated.

Shawn

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by nachob

it's also smaller, lighter and most of all doesn't trigger nausea and dry heaves when looking at it.

Don't forget that sir!

Kidding aside...it looks like Duplo toy or Lego toy from Target! No one else sees that?

Not sure when blocky/angular car design had any relation to a car being ugly... see E30 / E36 / Lamborghini Diablo. Automotive car design is shifting back toward simpler/blockier shapes with designs like the new Range Rover and away from the overly "creased" designs of the mid-late 2010's. Before that the trend was smoother rounded designs which themselves were a result of moving away from the blocky/angular designs. Design truly is a cycle lol.

Ultimately beauty is subjective and you are free to dislike it, but it's weird to see such disdain aimed at being blocky/angular, when so many legendary designs have been exactly that.

[Piyush]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

When pigs fly.

Lotus still doing Hydraulic with Emira then what's stopping BMW to keep hydraulic with M cars at least which are driver's focussed ones and also when they know their EPS is not up to mark.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by CodeSlinger

Not sure when blocky/angular car design had any relation to a car being ugly... see E30 / E36 / Lamborghini Diablo. Automotive car design is shifting back toward simpler/blockier shapes with designs like the new Range Rover and away from the overly "creased" designs of the mid-late 2010's. Before that the trend was smoother rounded designs which themselves were a result of moving away from the blocky/angular designs. Design truly is a cycle lol.

Ultimately beauty is subjective and you are free to dislike it, but it's weird to see such disdain aimed at being blocky/angular, when so many legendary designs have been exactly that.

Yes, design has to try different things to stay fresh..some stuff works and some stuff doesn't.

The E46 looked stunning on day 1 and took no stretch or effort or convincing to see the beauty that has held up remarkably well but, with that said, I have revised my post simply to throw my vote for the M3 and while I don't like the general direction of huge sporty cars nearing 4000 lbs, I realize now that I just kept typing what popped in my head without thinking first that there are many of you out there behind this car that love it.

Everyone hates my car too and I hear it all the time, so don't want to be part of the problem; really didn't intend to diss your ride.

The real question now the M2 is the size and even heavier as an M4, what is a guy to do that wants a small, lightweight new BMW?

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by nachob

Yes, design has to try different things to stay fresh..some stuff works and some stuff doesn't.

The E46 looked stunning on day 1 and took no stretch or effort or convincing to see the beauty that has held up remarkably well but, with that said, I have revised my post simply to throw my vote for the M3 and while I don't like the general direction of huge sporty cars nearing 4000 lbs, I realize now that I just kept typing what popped in my head without thinking first that there are many of you out there behind this car that love it.

Everyone hates my car too and I hear it all the time, so don't want to be part of the problem; really didn't intend to diss your ride.

The real question now the M2 is the size and even heavier as an M4, what is a guy to do that wants a small, lightweight new BMW?

Fair enough

Though I would point out that the last gen m2 was the same weight as the m4. Ultimately the M2 has always been a slightly smaller m4 with cost cuts using most of the same heavy bits (suspension, engine, transmission, etc) and omitting some weight saving expensive options (carbon roof, forged wheels, etc).

Ultimately I agree with you on wishing for a smaller lighter weight BMW, though that would almost certainly require a much more expensive dedicated platform. Safety, tech and chasing power all add weight and require a bunch of money to keep it off.

[nick3753]

Originally Posted by nachob

The real question now the M2 is the size and even heavier as an M4, what is a guy to do that wants a small, lightweight new BMW?

He buys a “Toyota”.