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Road and Track: First Drive: 2017 Jaguar XE
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01-29-2015, 05:43 PM | #1 | |
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Road and Track: First Drive: 2017 Jaguar XE
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01-29-2015, 06:28 PM | #2 |
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how is it smaller but heavier than the competition as well. That doesn't make sense, especially since it's an Aluminum build.
If they stick a 6MT in the supercharged V6, I'd consider it. Not a bad looking car at all.
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01-29-2015, 07:37 PM | #3 |
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Probably because of all of the safety add-ons that cars need now and then on top of that, all of the electronic BS that cars can/come with.
Its not a bad looking car but the center console layout is pretty dumb looking. I'm also guessing its going to cost a pretty penny too with that last statement. |
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01-29-2015, 08:03 PM | #4 |
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Has a lot of resemblance to the A4. Dull and boring exterior, nice interior with what looks like buttons in the right spots.
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01-30-2015, 10:10 AM | #5 |
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Like all late-model Jags, that is one sharp looking car!
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01-31-2015, 07:48 AM | #7 |
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Okay, so it's heavier than a 3 series, the same size outside but smaller on the inside. The rear seat is smaller, and so is the trunk. ALL of these size issues are on the list of "complaints" that the auto mags have about the ATS, yet the ATS easily out handles the 3-Series and has far better steering feel and brake performance than that 3-series, and the ATS will weigh a good 400 pounds less than the all-aluminum Jag. LOL.
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Think you'll make it home from the dealership without it breaking down?
I kid I kid.
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The problem with all these new entries is it's too little too late. First, and this is the main factor, is that the go-to brands have been established. Second, these new entrants are building cars like it's still 2000 and unfortunately for them, the segment has evolved and moved on.
Companies like Cadillac and Jaguar are in this for the sales and money, anything else (exclusivity right Cadillac?) is pure bullshit because they can't move units. I hate when reviews say stuff like this is the 3-Series killer or "game over for everything in the class". What constitutes it as a "killer"? I'm sure they said the same thing about the ATS and how's that doing? It's going to be the same for the XE. I'm not saying that BMW is the be-all-end-all car in this segment but numbers don't lie. You don't "kill" the 3-Series because you got a hard-on when driving it. You kill when you're on top and the only way you get on top is if you outsell it. |
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The sales metric ignores image, perception, biases, etc. How many people only consider BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Lexus because of the image of the badge? How many buy an iPhone simply because it's an Apple product? How many will hear the word, " Cadillac" and won't even have to know about their current products and go, " Ewww old person car"? Just because you are a sales leader does not mean the product itself is the best. You just marketed the badge really well. |
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I cannot wait to see the performance figures on this. Hopefully will be on par with the ATS.
Looks wise it mostly is like a smaller XF, but the rear looks way too much like the rear of an E90. |
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The E21 and E30 were far far from luxury vehicles. They were the ultimate driving machines to coin the phrase (they earned that phrase) but had little in the way of luxury (outside of electric door locks and power windows - in the USA versions at least). Neither had adjustable steering wheels, in fact it was BMW's adage at the time that the design of the car was such that the placement of the seat (throughout its adjustment range) in relationship to the steering wheel was such that it dictated the correct driving position. Lexus and Acura have driven the 3-Series to the soft, degraded driver's car that it has become. It was BMW's engineering principles in the 70's and 80's that the design of the car and the handling dynamics were developed to make you a better driver and a safer driver because the thought of day was to avoid accidents in the first place rather than survive them as an afterfact. It was through design of the greenhouse for excellent visibility, mirror placement for excellent situational awareness, use of the proper color and light temperature of the gauge cluster to avoid eye fatigue, and intuitive design and placement of the controls to lesson distraction from the driving act, and braking and handling to allow for decisive avoidance movements without losing control of the vehicle. It went even so far as to place a clock in front of the driver so as to avoid the need of looking away from the road to read your watch. None of these principles are present in a modern day BMW. Fuck around with the I-drive all you want and hope the airbags save you when the automatic braking and cruise control fail to avoid an accident (caused by your inattentiveness to the act of driving...).
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