[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by DSTR

The M2 has M4 suspension, brakes, chassis and gearbox. There is a lot of M4 in the M2. Drive both and decide is usually the best course of action.

Then it adds even more questions about the price difference if the suspension is the same. Drove both, both are great on short rides. M4 may be less tiring on long rides, but I have no ways to find out. Nobody will give an M2 or M4 on a 24 hour test drive.

[godunovs65]

One more price difference factor:

M2: sunroof stock, carbon roof $2,600
M4: carbon roof stock (longer roof, more carbon too)

I've spec'd an M4 with a sunroof. No credit for that.
From what has been said so far, a $15,000 difference may be justified after all.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by M2siast

This!
Except for the alignment. The Mexicans can’t get the car straight lol
But easy fix

Seems like every ///Mexican2 alignment is off now LOL

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

Seems like every ///Mexican2 alignment is off now LOL

My car is fine, would need a bit more than the 10 or so samples on here, compared with the 20,000 or so cars produced so far. With the suspension settling after leaving the factory, the alignment could stay true or could drift a bit.

It isn't really a subject that comes up when the alignment is fine, only when some one has a problem.

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

Seems like every ///Mexican2 alignment is off now LOL

mine is not off that i can tell but I will have them double check at my RiS on the 20th.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by aerobod

My car is fine, would need a bit more than the 10 or so samples on here, compared with the 20,000 or so cars produced so far. With the suspension settling after leaving the factory, the alignment could stay true or could drift a bit.

It isn't really a subject that comes up when the alignment is fine, only when some one has a problem.

Mine was hardly off, but enough to notice. I’ll have to get realigned anyways after next week

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by aerobod

The problem with factory alignment is that it is done before rubber or polymer suspension bushings have time to settle, with the weight of the car deforming them into a more permanent set. I'm not surprised if any new car needs an alignment tweak after a month or so of use.

Exactly. By the time I ask for the alignment, it has a number of kilometers driven and its been settled and moved a number of times.
Funny its always the back that is not set perfectly. Its ok and certainly can be driven. The front always is well done it seems.

[Squidget]

No alignment problems for me, so it's not a 100% thing. I suspect there's some selection bias here, plenty of M4s needed alignment post-delivery too.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by M2siast

In the US you can…

To be clear on M2siast 's post here, in the US the mirror has a garage door opener as standard, but the M2 has NO option for a 360 camera... anywhere.

The M4 has more rear seat room, more HP on paper, and better track times. That's why it costs more, pure and simple. I don't think it has to be more complex than that. It has a better on paper spec sheet, so BMW can charge more for it.

[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by Squidget

To be clear on M2siast 's post here, in the US the mirror has a garage door opener as standard, but the M2 has NO option for a 360 camera... anywhere.

The M4 has more rear seat room, more HP on paper, and better track times. That's why it costs more, pure and simple. I don't think it has to be more complex than that. It has a better on paper spec sheet, so BMW can charge more for it.

Agreed. Not having an option to have the front camera is old tech.

[godunovs65]

Here's more comparison points. M4 has more stuff included in the base model that are optional in the M2 or plain not available.

M2 | M4
Active M Differential | M Sport Differential
Vernasca Leather | Extended Merino Leather
Black High Gloss Trim (alum $200) | Aluminum Rhombicle Anthracite trim
$300 | Personal eSIM 5G
N/A | Remote Software Upgrade Capable
$200 | Wireless Device Charging
N/A | Advanced Real Time Traffic Information
$600 | Automatic high beams
N/A | Active Protection System detects imminent accidents, then prepares by automatically pretensioning safety belts, closing windows and moonroof, and activating post-crash braking; includes Fatigue and Focus Alert feature
Moonroof (Carbon $2,600) | Carbon roof

[godunovs65]

I think M4 is just a better equipped, more practical car. Mechanically, probably, very close if not identical to M2. But more luxurious, better suited for tourism, daily driving, practical applications. It has more color choices too. All included options justify the price difference. And many options make it the sole choice for a 6MT equipped BMW two-door coupe.

[KCuv]

Originally Posted by godunovs65

Next MY M2 will have the same amount of power as M4 today

spoiler alert, the current m2 has the same power as the current m3/m4 already. They dyno exactly the same hp/tq #s, same amount of boost, literally no difference.

[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by KCuv

spoiler alert, the current m2 has the same power as the current m3/m4 already. They dyno exactly the same hp/tq #s, same amount of boost, literally no difference.

Undoubtedly, the power is identical. So, it's only the practicality, comfort, and included options that separate M4 from M2. And perhaps the "class" aspect, which has zero performance and practicality bearing.

[AZG87]

Originally Posted by godunovs65

I think M4 is just a better equipped, more practical car. Mechanically, probably, very close if not identical to M2. But more luxurious, better suited for tourism, daily driving, practical applications. It has more color choices too. All included options justify the price difference. And many options make it the sole choice for a 6MT equipped BMW two-door coupe.

X drive option as well on the M4 not available for M2 in current state.

[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by AZG87

X drive option as well on the M4 not available for M2 in current state.

Indeed, not yet. How I wish they would keep making 6MT AWD.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by godunovs65

Here's more comparison points. M4 has more stuff included in the base model that are optional in the M2 or plain not available.

M2 | M4
Active M Differential | M Sport Differential
Vernasca Leather | Extended Merino Leather
Black High Gloss Trim (alum $200) | Aluminum Rhombicle Anthracite trim
$300 | Personal eSIM 5G
N/A | Remote Software Upgrade Capable
$200 | Wireless Device Charging
N/A | Advanced Real Time Traffic Information
$600 | Automatic high beams
N/A | Active Protection System detects imminent accidents, then prepares by automatically pretensioning safety belts, closing windows and moonroof, and activating post-crash braking; includes Fatigue and Focus Alert feature
Moonroof (Carbon $2,600) | Carbon roof

Aren't Cup2s also an option on the M4? And centerlocks?

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by godunovs65

Undoubtedly, the power is identical. So, it's only the practicality, comfort, and included options that separate M4 from M2. And perhaps the "class" aspect, which has zero performance and practicality bearing.

A small nitpick (sorry to keep doing that), the M4 has a longer wheelbase and different spring rates. The M4 is a better track car if you are racing power tracks purely for time attack, it's a weapon.

The M2 is a fine track car, but at the absolute limit won't quite match the times of its big brother.

But the difference is probably irrelevant*. If you that serious about track you probably aren't tracking BMW G series cars anyway, lol.

*assuming the G82 and G87 are in the same class rating in your preferred racing circuit of course.

[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Aren't Cup2s also an option on the M4? And centerlocks?

CS(L) only I think. Automatic transmission only. Definitely not on 6MT.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by Squidget

A small nitpick (sorry to keep doing that), the M4 has a longer wheelbase and different spring rates. The M4 is a better track car if you are racing power tracks purely for time attack, it's a weapon.

The M2 is a fine track car, but at the absolute limit won't quite match the times of its big brother.

But the difference is probably irrelevant*. If you that serious about track you probably aren't tracking BMW G series cars anyway, lol.

*assuming the G82 and G87 are in the same class rating in your preferred racing circuit of course.

I’d disagree actually. Same exact 6MT or non competition ZF8 I think a good driver will get a better time in the M2. But what do I know…

[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by Squidget

A small nitpick (sorry to keep doing that), the M4 has a longer wheelbase and different spring rates. The M4 is a better track car if you are racing power tracks purely for time attack, it's a weapon.

The M2 is a fine track car, but at the absolute limit won't quite match the times of its big brother.

But the difference is probably irrelevant*. If you that serious about track you probably aren't tracking BMW G series cars anyway, lol.

*assuming the G82 and G87 are in the same class rating in your preferred racing circuit of course.

This is a very detailed comparison! I didn't know about the different spring rates on the M4. Thanks for that!
I'm afraid to say I'm afraid to take any car to the track. To be honest, my preferred driving style is 10mph over the speed limit. I am seeking a practical manual transmission coupe, brand new, more than 300hp. Plenty of comfort and practicality to take day trips and daily driving, practical rear seats and trunk. With the current new manual cars on the market, both M4 and M2 fit the bill, but M4 fits the bill better. I just don't see other options that do not cross the six-figure treshhold.

[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

I’d disagree actually. Same exact 6MT or non competition ZF8 I think a good driver will get a better time in the M2. But what do I know…

I must agree. I test drove both and the M2 seemed to accelerate more aggressively than M4 even in the Comfort mode. M4 in the comfort mode felt like a Lexus. Again, I'm driving mostly defensively, so I can't provide any track related information. Just for comparison, the harsh ride of the F87 M2 I couldn't tolerate. I was afraid the G87 M2 would be even harsher, but, luckily, it was way more comfortable.