[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

https://youtu.be/rCywUzKJs30

I love Harry, I’ve been an EVO subscriber since the 2nd year, but I think a lot of these aging British auto journalists (the same that criticize that BMWs don’t still have the same grill as 30 years ago) are sounding more and more hollow in their arguments.

BMW has made an effort to make the construction of an iX 45% less carbon emissions than a regular X5. It’s also getting me 3 and up mi/kwh in anything but freezing temps. It’s a super efficient car compared to its ICE counterpart.

Telling people to keep waiting for battery tech years and years from now, those same people will be saying that in 8 more years. There are some really great regular EVs out now and there are going to be some great EV sports cars coming soon. Time for people to embrace that.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I love Harry, I’ve been an EVO subscriber since the 2nd year, but I think a lot of these aging British auto journalists (the same that criticize that BMWs don’t still have the same grill as 30 years ago) are sounding more and more hollow in their arguments.

BMW has made an effort to make the construction of an iX 45% less carbon emissions than a regular X5. It’s also getting me 3 and up mi/kwh in anything but freezing temps. It’s a super efficient car compared to its ICE counterpart.

Telling people to keep waiting for battery tech years and years from now, those same people will be saying that in 8 more years. There are some really great regular EVs out now and there are going to be some great EV sports cars coming soon. Time for people to embrace that.

Drink the Kool-Aid much? I am kidding.

This kind of EV discussion is probably not the best venue to have it in given that this is an ICE M specific forum. Edit, It eventually becomes a giant pissing match amongst those that are in favor of EVs and those that are not.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Drink the Kool-Aid much? I am kidding, nevertheless this kind of EV discussion is probably not the appropriate venue to place it in given this is an ICE M specific forum.

This is a thread about EV M cars where people are dismissing them outright. As a person who’s recently bought my 7th new M car, I’m fully planning to buy an M EV and don’t car if they never make another ICE M car after the new M2 generation.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

This is a thread about EV M cars where people are dismissing them outright. As a person who’s recently bought my 7th new M car, I’m fully planning to buy an M EV and don’t car if they never make another ICE M car after the new M2 generation.

I edited my post above.

The next Gen M5 will be a mild hybrid while still fully relying on the new S68 V8. ICE is far from dead at BMW M.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2022/11/15/n...epower-report/

[xmanpro]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

It is going to be many, many years before we see ICE and their required fuels fully killed off. In fact, if you were born in the late 60s to early/mid 80s it is doubtful either will be eradicated within your lifetime.

Agreed but still rip. The new shit is coming/here. I respect the old but look forward to the new, just like ex wives and new wives. . . Or no wives

[c18]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Did you read their Mercedes-beating record-breaking sales numbers for 2021?

EV sales were up by over 120%

Why wouldn't they do an EV M car?

It's all about numbers my friend

If im not mistaken I remember the head of the M division flaunted there will never be a 3 cylinder or 4 cylinder M car, cheeky bastard didnt mention anythint about a 0 cylinder. I get what you mean though its all about the money

[TargaM2]

Here’s a little reality.

https://youtu.be/rCywUzKJs30

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by xmanpro

Agreed but still rip. The new shit is coming/here. I respect the old but look forward to the new, just like ex wives and new wives. . . Or no wives

Yeah there is a difference between making great products and government mandated bans on ICE cars. There have been alot of pointless EVs up to this point, where there are quality issues and no range and whatever. And alot can be said for keeping existing cars on the road longer. But you see countries like Norway (where almost all new car sales are EV) are inspiring other governments to put regulation in place without proper planning. I'm not arguing a position on that.

I'm saying, there have been some recently great new EV products (Hyundai Ioniq 5 and BMW iX come to mind) that are just better in almost all facets than their ICE counterparts. So I personally have alot of optimism for EV sport cars. Porsche for example, has a target weight to keep the 718 EV under 3650 pounds and the Mission R is 3300 pounds. With the instant torque and weight distribution of an EV, that could be a really exciting car. BMW M seems to also have a focus on producing some exciting products in this space.

[10"]

why do you peeps think they are delaying the G87 M2—transitioning it to EV!!!! 🔥😂

[TruthOne]

Originally Posted by KevM2

Oil will never run out, that’s a total myth and lie used to push an agenda on those who believe it

Everything runs out including life, the sun, everything. Oil sure as hell can run out to the point there’s not enough to power houses, cars and everything else that still uses it on earth.

[IcewaterPete]

Originally Posted by Tag

I've been thinking about this for a while, what the repercussions of these heavy vehicles means in an accident. Some weigh so much it's almost like getting hit by an 18 wheeler.

Uh…not even close. Granted the EVs are heavier than our gas powered ones, but way less than an 18 wheeler. Semi-tractors with an empty trailer are about 35,000 pounds up to 80,000 pounds loaded!!!

[xmanpro]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Yeah there is a difference between making great products and government mandated bans on ICE cars. There have been alot of pointless EVs up to this point, where there are quality issues and no range and whatever. And alot can be said for keeping existing cars on the road longer. But you see countries like Norway (where almost all new car sales are EV) are inspiring other governments to put regulation in place without proper planning. I'm not arguing a position on that.

I'm saying, there have been some recently great new EV products (Hyundai Ioniq 5 and BMW iX come to mind) that are just better in almost all facets than their ICE counterparts. So I personally have alot of optimism for EV sport cars. Porsche for example, has a target weight to keep the 718 EV under 3650 pounds and the Mission R is 3300 pounds. With the instant torque and weight distribution of an EV, that could be a really exciting car. BMW M seems to also have a focus on producing some exciting products in this space.

Pretty excited as well! I’m loving my current M lineup now, but, I anticipate that M will make awesome ev products; shit we don’t even know we want until we see them.

[t$]

Originally Posted by rwemersonrw

Read an interesting article today re NTSB expressing concern about the weight of EVs.

https://apnews.com/article/technolog...utm_id=Taboola

"electric GMC Hummer weighs about 9,000 pounds, with a battery pack that alone is 2,900 pounds"

what are the other 6100 lbs?!? I guess large SUVs like a Suburban weigh in around that but Im sure theres still atleast 1000+ lbs of engine/drivetrain weight that wouldnt be there?

will be curious to see what the EV cayman weighs and if Porsche can figure out how to keep the weight down. I have 0 interest in a car that size thats 4000+ lbs.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Did you read their Mercedes-beating record-breaking sales numbers for 2021?

EV sales were up by over 120%

Why wouldn't they do an EV M car?

It's all about numbers my friend

Take away the Federal rebates and then let’s see what the sales look like.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by omasou

Take away the Federal rebates and then let’s see what the sales look like.

That figure was worldwide sales, not just in the USA

I'm not advocating EVs, just stating facts

[Brandt51]

Progress. I’m all for it. Let’s rage as in, drive performance EVs like they were stolen.

[NathObeaN]

As much as it scares me having BMW move away from their signature straight 6, I’m curious to see what they’ll do with EV tech, same for Porsche. I used to be fully against EVs but since owning a Tesla consider me a ‘convert’. I just wish we could have options for both - an M2 EV and M2 ICE. Imagine having the flexibility to choose, similar to having the choice over AT or MT nowadays. One can only dream 🙂.

[kellyzerx]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I have coworker that purchased a Rivian R1T new. He initially drank the Kool-Aid, but it wore off quickly. The build quality is less than desirable, and the after sales support is mediocre at best, both understandable given that it is a start up. It was impressive what it can do for a truck, especially given what it weights. He learned quickly that if you are a EV owner and not within the Tesla network the EV infrastructure is absolutely horrible and it has a long way to go. In the end he flipped it.

This is something I just don’t understand. How did the government and industry fail us by not enforcing a charging standard. If they want to encourage EV’s that should have been done a long time ago.

[carjoy]

It’s clear some “enthusiasts” will move kicking and screaming to EV M products, while others will readily embrace change. After over 100 years of ICE reign, certainly passions are high and nostrils are flared at talks of its demise.

It’s not just progress, some hidden agenda or the environment that are vectors of change, it’s also our innate and irresistible urge as humans to improve and innovate. What would have happened to the leap from steam power to the ICE without those forces at play?

We all romanticize what is familiar and dismiss the unknown, we sometimes gawk at change as some evil agent sent to destabilize the neat little boxes we make into our perfect world, but the truth is change IS the only constant and as a community of car enthusiasts, it’s that very change that has given us so many of the cars we know and love.

We are at the cusp of a new era for the automobile and some of our most beloved cars are changing too and that can be sad, scary and deflating. The posters we had on walls of Lambo’s, Vette’s, Mustangs, etc.., of roaring gas guzzling V8’s with a manual and no nanny’s will be replaced by new electric cars. But the very things that made us into car nuts are the very things that will help us embrace this brave new world.

I am confident that neither Porsche or BMW or any performance car mark wants to intentionally dilute their brand or let down the very customers their success depends on. Therefore, I am optimistic, if not excited for what is to come, for the next big leap.

Change is inevitable. Let’s give these EV’s time to develop, to improve, to break old norms and open new hearts! Who knows, maybe one day an M2 E-Power poster will end up on that proverbial wall.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by c18

If BMW ends up making an EV M car that is the line, I will stop at nothing until the headquarters is flames and shambles. Any time you cut these guys some slack they just manage to make you want to hate the brand even more.

I don't know about that. After watching this speed shootout from the UK, gas cars just kind of seem, obsolete.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I love Harry, I’ve been an EVO subscriber since the 2nd year, but I think a lot of these aging British auto journalists (the same that criticize that BMWs don’t still have the same grill as 30 years ago) are sounding more and more hollow in their arguments.

BMW has made an effort to make the construction of an iX 45% less carbon emissions than a regular X5. It’s also getting me 3 and up mi/kwh in anything but freezing temps. It’s a super efficient car compared to its ICE counterpart.

Telling people to keep waiting for battery tech years and years from now, those same people will be saying that in 8 more years. There are some really great regular EVs out now and there are going to be some great EV sports cars coming soon. Time for people to embrace that.

Tell that to the thousands and thousands of 8, 9, and 10 year olds mining Cobalt in Africa in deplorable conditions. Shame on all of us.

[Tag]

I feel sad for the younger generation. No matter how fast EVs get they are boring AF. No shifting, no exhaust sounds, no soul. The only silver lining is Porsche is working on e-fuel which is carbon neutral and would let them continue to make ICE cars well into the future.