Manual or auto g87?

ronin13013 · 11-05-2023, 06:08 PM

Like the rifle bolt analogy. Dam near 500hp mated to a manual transmission you can beat on daily definitely gets the job done. Guarantee Mt drivers go through tires faster!!

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Originally Posted by 40 Cylinders

just my 2 cents worth.... my last BMW stick was a 850csi... my first was a 635csi... and a 735i in between... a few Porsche manuals as well.. got my M2 6mt a week ago and it reminded me that all of them have way too short 1st to 2nd gears... not sure why but the PDK and the Gertrag 7 spd is way better... but I had to have the 6mt ...it's just so different than the other two trannies ... once you get to second and beyond, the 6mt is great.. love to shift... I will say the tranny could use a little more positive connection... a little like the 360 Ferrari or a good rifle bolt... but overall, it gets the job done...

///M TOWN · 11-05-2023, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cj1

Went with the auto. I've had several different brands with the ZF 8 speed and I've enjoyed them all. I especially like the shift logic in BMWs. The M2 is my dailey and the wife drives it. Dont have to worry about money shifts. Reviews like Throttlehouse, carwow, ect., have said the ZF also wakes the car up a bit more. Lastly, I have a bad back which affects my left leg and if I use my left leg to modulate the clutch it makes my back worse.

I find the seat position in the auto is much better, and when I drive the stick, I have to have my seat much more forward in order to get my long leg to push the clutch all the way in. I much prefer the seating position with the auto without a doubt.

///M TOWN · 11-05-2023, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

This of course is all wrong. What BMW needs to do is buy back all of the automatic G87s and crush them. Then fine the previous auto owners and give that money to the 6 speed guys/gals.

I have spoken.

GregW / Oregon · 11-05-2023, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I find the seat position in the auto is much better, and when I drive the stick, I have to have my seat much more forward in order to get my long leg to push the clutch all the way in. I’m much prefer the seating position with the auto without a doubt.

A clutch stop helps a tiny bit.

Geighty7 · 11-05-2023, 09:30 PM

I could not imagine driving my car without 3 pedals! I just got her yesterday.

TheDrivenGarage · 11-06-2023, 08:29 AM

Picking up my manual tomorrow at PCD!

I have a G83 with the automatic (which I am keeping) and I am not sure where all the love comes from. The paddles are no where near as responsive as say a PDK and that lag just takes the fun out of it for me. For it to be engaging I want to feel the car quickly slam into gear when I hit the paddles. Even on the highest setting the trans is still slow. So I don't really find myself using them much.

I am pumped to have the ability to do it myself, and while the entire world hates the rubbery feel, I am sure the engagement of doing the change myself, Rev matching, and just the extra work of it will make it worth it. If it were just about speed, i would have kept my Plaid

ronin13013 · 11-06-2023, 09:31 AM

I'm glad an auto driver finally admitted this, without DCT what's the point of using the paddles at all? Low blow I know!!

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Originally Posted by TheDrivenGarage

Picking up my manual tomorrow at PCD!

I have a G83 with the automatic and I am not sure where all the love comes from. The paddles are no where near as responsive as say a PDK and that lag just takes the fun out of it for me. For it to be engaging I want to feel the car quickly slam into gear when I hit the paddles. Even on the highest setting the trans is still slow. So I don't really find myself using them much.

I am pumped to have the ability to do it myself, and whe the entire world hates the rubbery feel, I am sure the engagement of doing the change myself, Rev matching, and just the extra work of it will make it worth it. If it were just about speed, i would have kept my Plaid

Shadak · 11-06-2023, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDrivenGarage

Picking up my manual tomorrow at PCD!

I have a G83 with the automatic and I am not sure where all the love comes from. The paddles are no where near as responsive as say a PDK and that lag just takes the fun out of it for me. For it to be engaging I want to feel the car quickly slam into gear when I hit the paddles. Even on the highest setting the trans is still slow. So I don't really find myself using them much.

I am pumped to have the ability to do it myself, and whe the entire world hates the rubbery feel, I am sure the engagement of doing the change myself, Rev matching, and just the extra work of it will make it worth it. If it were just about speed, i would have kept my Plaid

did you test drive the g87 auto as well? at a bmw event i drove the new M3 comp, for some strange reason, its paddles felt a bit slower than my M2, not sure if the mapping is different? Or maybe my mind is playing tricks but on highest setting my M2 feels fast enough, the downshifts some times arent instant, i admit that.

MMMGuy60 · 11-06-2023, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ronin13013

I'm glad an auto driver finally admitted this, without DCT what's the point of using the paddles at all? Low blow I know!!

I have never driven a traditional auto that I like. I would have at least test drive the auto M2 if it's a DCT.

OldButSmooth · 11-06-2023, 01:24 PM

There is little doubt that the 8 speed auto is by far the better transmission for the G87, however, driving the 6MT has a sense of occasion that is sadly lacking in many modern motor vehicles....6MT will be a historical transmission before we know it and that is reason enough to go analogue whilst you can.

Ravenseal · 11-06-2023, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

I find the seat position in the auto is much better, and when I drive the stick, I have to have my seat much more forward in order to get my long leg to push the clutch all the way in. I much prefer the seating position with the auto without a doubt.

Are you a T-Rex?

///M TOWN · 11-06-2023, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenseal

Are you a T-Rex?

Not exactly lol

Geighty7 · 11-06-2023, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

There is little doubt that the 8 speed auto is by far the better transmission for the G87, however, driving the 6MT has a sense of occasion that is sadly lacking in many modern motor vehicles....6MT will be a historical transmission before we know it and that is reason enough to go analogue whilst you can.

Not necessarily agreeing with the 8 speed being better for the G87. I have driven both in the G87 and can tell anyone that the differences in driving experience are magnified with a 6MT compared to the auto. If anything, the automatic seems a bit laggy compared to a PDK if we really want to get technical. I much rather prefer a 6MT in this car, even if it may be .4 seconds slower 0-60 due to human error. I respect the auto and think it is a great option- but it is for sure not the superior option for the motor and driver feeling. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder for both.

Squidget · 11-06-2023, 04:38 PM

The root of the problem is people always say "better" without saying better "at what."

I don't think anyone is disputing that 8AT is a better performer, and more daily-drivable. As it is for every car made in the last 20 years or so.

The question is whether you care more about the engagement of MT than you care about performance or commuting. Some do, some don't. That's why it's a matter of taste.

"better," without context, is a rather meaningless word.

Geighty7 · 11-06-2023, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Squidget

The root of the problem is people always say "better" without saying better "at what."

I don't think anyone is disputing that 8AT is a better performer, and more daily-drivable. As it is for every car made in the last 20 years or so.

The question is whether you care more about the engagement of MT than you care about performance or commuting. Some do, some don't. That's why it's a matter of taste.

"better," without context, is a rather meaningless word.

This ^^^

NewToM · 11-07-2023, 08:48 AM

Manual was really the only option for me and was a main reason I went with the M2. I was also thinking Supra, but I needed the backseats for my dog. Couldn’t be happier with my choice.

akumachu · 11-07-2023, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Squidget

The root of the problem is people always say "better" without saying better "at what."

I don't think anyone is disputing that 8AT is a better performer, and more daily-drivable. As it is for every car made in the last 20 years or so.

The question is whether you care more about the engagement of MT than you care about performance or commuting. Some do, some don't. That's why it's a matter of taste.

"better," without context, is a rather meaningless word.

That ^

I having a 5 yr old and a 1.5 yr old in my backseat and this G87 is my daily so the 8AT outweight any driving engagement for me. Sure that the 6MT will be more fun during autocross but it just isn't worth it for me.

I also enjoy my remote start right now with the cold weather.

To be honest, if I were to not compromise and have a dedicated car for driving enjoyment, a MT Cayman would be a better choice than the M2 for me. I just have to wait until I don't have to lug my kids around.

NewToM · 11-07-2023, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by akumachu

That ^

I having a 5 yr old and a 1.5 yr old in my backseat and this G87 is my daily so the 8AT outweight any driving engagement for me. Sure that the 6MT will be more fun during autocross but it just isn't worth it for me.

I also enjoy my remote start right now with the cold weather.

To be honest, if I were to not compromise and have a dedicated car for driving enjoyment, a MT Cayman would be a better choice than the M2 for me. I just have to wait until I don't have to lug my kids around.

Get the MT Cayman and just Uber your kids where they need to go. The 5 year old can watch the 1.5 year old right?

marlinduke · 11-07-2023, 09:04 AM

Same. While appreciating all those who index on the objective performance of the 8AT, for me the raison d'être for acquiring this vehicle is the last gasp of the manual transmission. Having driven a 911SC, Boxster, Miata, and stage 2 Golf R, I'm happy to accommodate any and all clutch and stick idiosyncrasies for the privilege of involvement.

akumachu · 11-07-2023, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NewToM

Get the MT Cayman and just Uber your kids where they need to go. The 5 year old can watch the 1.5 year old right?

I wish! Life and choices would be so much easier!

Geighty7 · 11-07-2023, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by akumachu

That ^

I having a 5 yr old and a 1.5 yr old in my backseat and this G87 is my daily so the 8AT outweight any driving engagement for me. Sure that the 6MT will be more fun during autocross but it just isn't worth it for me.

I also enjoy my remote start right now with the cold weather.

To be honest, if I were to not compromise and have a dedicated car for driving enjoyment, a MT Cayman would be a better choice than the M2 for me. I just have to wait until I don't have to lug my kids around.

Rear seat delete incoming!

Squidget · 11-07-2023, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by akumachu

To be honest, if I were to not compromise and have a dedicated car for driving enjoyment, a MT Cayman would be a better choice than the M2 for me. I just have to wait until I don't have to lug my kids around.

A fine choice. I'd probably go for a Miata, because I love top down driving and little roadsters.

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TheDrivenGarage Private First Class 226 Rep 140 Posts Drives: BMW M4 G82, BMW M2 G87 (Order) Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: IL iTrader: (0)	Picking up my manual tomorrow at PCD! I have a G83 with the automatic (which I am keeping) and I am not sure where all the love comes from. The paddles are no where near as responsive as say a PDK and that lag just takes the fun out of it for me. For it to be engaging I want to feel the car quickly slam into gear when I hit the paddles. Even on the highest setting the trans is still slow. So I don't really find myself using them much. I am pumped to have the ability to do it myself, and while the entire world hates the rubbery feel, I am sure the engagement of doing the change myself, Rev matching, and just the extra work of it will make it worth it. If it were just about speed, i would have kept my Plaid Last edited by TheDrivenGarage; 11-06-2023 at 12:55 PM..
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Squidget Lieutenant Colonel 3529 Rep 1,546 Posts Drives: 2023 G87, 2011 E90 335i Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	The root of the problem is people always say "better" without saying better "at what." I don't think anyone is disputing that 8AT is a better performer, and more daily-drivable. As it is for every car made in the last 20 years or so. The question is whether you care more about the engagement of MT than you care about performance or commuting. Some do, some don't. That's why it's a matter of taste. "better," without context, is a rather meaningless word.
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marlinduke New Member 66 Rep 17 Posts Drives: G87 M2; 986, 911SC alum Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (0)	Same. While appreciating all those who index on the objective performance of the 8AT, for me the raison d'être for acquiring this vehicle is the last gasp of the manual transmission. Having driven a 911SC, Boxster, Miata, and stage 2 Golf R, I'm happy to accommodate any and all clutch and stick idiosyncrasies for the privilege of involvement.
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