[Squidget]

Originally Posted by fcman

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Plus we should be comparing the G87 against the F87C, at least here in the US the MSRPs are almost identical (F87C is a little more when factoring inflation), and the concept is the same (entry level S-engine car). The G87 CS will come in time to truly stamp out the F87CS.

This is true, I tell people who ask about a G87 Comp that there probably won't be one because the G87 IS a Comp in all but name already. Better, really.

The base G87 has been really close to the F87CS in test after test. So yep, we can expect the G87CS to outperform the F87CS by a large margin. Maybe they'll even keep the armrest this time.

[dmboone25]

Fun video for sure - the G87 is a monster. Pulls like a freight train. The F87 CS is indeed still a looker too. Love all of these cars.

[GiorgioE82]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Hey, it’s not just F87 bros… I wonder if one day I’ll do the same in the next gen’s M2 forums lol

Huh?

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Fun video for sure - the G87 is a monster. Pulls like a freight train. The F87 CS is indeed still a looker too. Love all of these cars.

You really cannot go wrong with any of them.

[MarlboroM2C]

That was fun. The G87 will come individual colors now, with all that speed. Impressive launches too.
Was an interesting comparison of weight. Happy that my F87C did it all well. 😉

[Ctothej]

And for those who haven't read yet, the base G87 outgunned the F87 CS by 5 seconds around the nurburgring. Bloody impressive that!

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

He did, it's Litchfield tuned too, actually.
He's buying or already bought a G87 (the press car BMW loaned him) because he loves it so much.

He never tuned the engine, only the EDC dampers, so the car was stock other than the Akra which wouldn’t add much in real world performance.

The 50mph pull was a true reflection of the performance of all the cars, any manual vs a flapper is going to get trumped if both cars are close to equal.

[Ratcher]

Originally Posted by aerobod

S58 stock compared with S55 stock just seems be under rated more power wise, overcoming any weight disadvantage of the G87, not to mention the braking difference.

Overall BMW just seems to have moved the game on further then usual with the model change, especially as the base model G87 dynamics seems to be able to match or exceed the outgoing CS model.

The S58 is indeed more underrated, the M2 Comp had always around 420-430hp but never much more (despite multiple dynos at 480... we all know how easy it is to manipulate the final result). The S58 is very likely running considerably more than 460, although I don't think its above 500. Never ever is it running as much as IND said theirs was running (540 or something like that?).

In regards to braking, the M2 Comp in the video is running rain tires. Not a proper comparison, is it? Similar platforms with similar weight will very likely result in a similar stopping power.

The final comparison with the M2 CS, the G platform is just much better dynamically than the F platform. You can see this basically on any track, even if at the Nürburgring the G87 is 5 seconds faster but with a factory driver vs Sport Auto in the CS. The G is just a step up in regards to laptimes and straight line performance over the F, as it's to be expected.

[akkando]

I think the base f87 wasn't in sport+ for the roll race based on the gauge cluster.

[Bahn360Photo]

Love the CS doesn’t matter if it’s slower then comp model in a straight line

It’s a whole another animal on a twisty or a track, that’s what it was built for

[Davil]

A shame the previous owner of the CS replaced the dampers with blocks of solid wood. Maybe table legs. Maybe he only drove on billiard tables? I wonder if he did this before or after wrapping it in Glad garbage bags. That previous owner has always had very dubious taste.

However, take that out of the equation and I can’t believe how much faster the CS is than the G87 once on a roll. Incredible!

[dmboone25]

One thing that would be interesting to see is to have all of these bad boys at the Ring, and on the same day, and on the same tires.

Obviously there are improvements in power, suspension, and other technologies as time progresses, but it would be fun to compare the different generations while all wearing the same shoes.

[Tarmac]

Originally Posted by Davil

A shame the previous owner of the CS replaced the dampers with blocks of solid wood. Maybe table legs. Maybe he only drove on billiard tables? I wonder if he did this before or after wrapping it in Glad garbage bags. That previous owner has always had very dubious taste.

However, take that out of the equation and I can’t believe how much faster the CS is than the G87 once on a roll. Incredible!

Chris Harris? 🤣

[Tarmac]

Originally Posted by Ratcher

In regards to braking, the M2 Comp in the video is running rain tires. Not a proper comparison, is it? Similar platforms with similar weight will very likely result in a similar stopping power.

I believe it should have affected the acceleration as well. You have a good eye to notice the tires 👍

[mfarrzhp]

I don’t think Harris did any power mods to that CS, besides a negligible bump from the exhaust. It had no chance in the standing 1/4, but surprised me on the roll race. Even if it was the gearing sweet spot, I would think the 8spd auto in the G87 would make up the difference. The G87 is a monster in stock form from a dig.

The whole drag race thing is entertaining, but it’s probably not a top 5 reason people would buy any of these cars, especially the manual cars. I would take any of them in my garage.

[Landpirate1973]

Originally Posted by Ratcher

The S58 is indeed more underrated, the M2 Comp had always around 420-430hp but never much more (despite multiple dynos at 480... we all know how easy it is to manipulate the final result). The S58 is very likely running considerably more than 460, although I don't think its above 500. Never ever is it running as much as IND said theirs was running (540 or something like that?).

In regards to braking, the M2 Comp in the video is running rain tires. Not a proper comparison, is it? Similar platforms with similar weight will very likely result in a similar stopping power.

The final comparison with the M2 CS, the G platform is just much better dynamically than the F platform. You can see this basically on any track, even if at the Nürburgring the G87 is 5 seconds faster but with a factory driver vs Sport Auto in the CS. The G is just a step up in regards to laptimes and straight line performance over the F, as it's to be expected.

Where can I read about the G87 vs F87CS Nurburgring lap times?
Looked, but couldn’t find it.

[Ratcher]

Originally Posted by Landpirate1973

Where can I read about the G87 vs F87CS Nurburgring lap times?
Looked, but couldn’t find it.

Google or YouTube.

BMW just shared on a recent video the new laptime of the new G87, it being 7:38 on the new layout which is around 4 to 5 seconds faster than the previous layout (where the F87 Comp and CS were tested). This was achieved on PS4S* tires which as we know by now are incredibly similar to a Cup2 compound.

The M2CS doesn’t have an official BMW laptime, but Sport Auto achieved a 7:43. Assuming the same delta between BMW and Sport Auto drivers as from the M2C laptime (see below), we can say the M2CS would lap the Ring at around 7:40 (new layout would be ~7:45). This was achieved on Cup2* tires.

The M2C lapped a 7:50 by BMW and 7:52 by Sport Auto (new layout ~7:55 and ~7:57 respectively). This was done running PSS* however - Cup2 should be at the very least 5 seconds faster, I’d actually say 10 seconds but that would make the M2C as fast as the CS, which isn’t realistic. Could have something to do with track conditions/weather and so on. Video by Sport Auto available on YouTube, they mention BMW’s laptime in the comments.

Summarizing:

G87 7:38
F87CS ~7:45
F87C ~7:55

[Landpirate1973]

Originally Posted by Ratcher

Google or YouTube.

BMW just shared on a recent video the new laptime of the new G87, it being 7:38 on the new layout which is around 4 to 5 seconds faster than the previous layout (where the F87 Comp and CS were tested). This was achieved on PS4S* tires which as we know by now are incredibly similar to a Cup2 compound.

https://youtu.be/Ekf1Fk1FjQY?si=zDwPrwzuE88GAyYB

The M2CS doesn’t have an official BMW laptime, but Sport Auto achieved a 7:43. Assuming the same delta between BMW and Sport Auto drivers as from the M2C laptime (see below), we can say the M2CS would lap the Ring at around 7:40 (new layout would be ~7:45). This was achieved on Cup2* tires.

https://youtu.be/mIb6bgndyPA?si=BtK_QM0Dl5Nrh-re

The M2C lapped a 7:50 by BMW and 7:52 by Sport Auto (new layout ~7:55 and ~7:57 respectively). This was done running PSS* however - Cup2 should be at the very least 5 seconds faster, I’d actually say 10 seconds but that would make the M2C as fast as the CS, which isn’t realistic. Could have something to do with track conditions/weather and so on. Video by Sport Auto available on YouTube, they mention BMW’s laptime in the comments.

https://youtu.be/yJTU0B90Cl4?si=FdNBupkuvbxykOTH

Summarizing:

G87 7:38
F87CS ~7:45
F87C ~7:55

Appreciate the info buddy 🤠

[Humdizzle]

the ring times are really splitting hairs. a couple botched apexes or weather changes can account for a 5 second difference out of a 450 second lap. its quite literally a 1% improvement.

i would love to see other track comparos being done on identical tires. so far we only have the savagegeese review where the supra beat the G87.

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

the ring times are really splitting hairs. a couple botched apexes or weather changes can account for a 5 second difference out of a 450 second lap. its quite literally a 1% improvement.

i would love to see other track comparos being done on identical tires. so far we only have the savagegeese review where the supra beat the G87.

In the same vein, the time difference in the savagegeese review was 1% in a 90 second lap.

With a 7-8 minute lap, on the other hand, it shows you what the best a "pro driver" can do with the car all around - much less so on just a 90 second lap. Ofcourse tyres make a difference but Ratchers estimates above are a great place to start.

Around the nurburging ring, looks like the Supra has done a 7:52, with the M2's time coming in considerably quicker, excluding all other variables at this stage. Not sure if someone's done a quicker time than this with the Supra:
https://fastestlaps.com/tests/gp63iufdp5hn

Finally, it's not so much about having the exact same tyres on both cars as it is about having the typres that drives the best performance out of the two cars - they're not in the same weight class and don't have the same tyre requirements. One to keep in mind.

[Landpirate1973]

Originally Posted by Ratcher

Google or YouTube.

BMW just shared on a recent video the new laptime of the new G87, it being 7:38 on the new layout which is around 4 to 5 seconds faster than the previous layout (where the F87 Comp and CS were tested). This was achieved on PS4S* tires which as we know by now are incredibly similar to a Cup2 compound.

https://youtu.be/Ekf1Fk1FjQY?si=zDwPrwzuE88GAyYB

The M2CS doesn’t have an official BMW laptime, but Sport Auto achieved a 7:43. Assuming the same delta between BMW and Sport Auto drivers as from the M2C laptime (see below), we can say the M2CS would lap the Ring at around 7:40 (new layout would be ~7:45). This was achieved on Cup2* tires.

https://youtu.be/mIb6bgndyPA?si=BtK_QM0Dl5Nrh-re

The M2C lapped a 7:50 by BMW and 7:52 by Sport Auto (new layout ~7:55 and ~7:57 respectively). This was done running PSS* however - Cup2 should be at the very least 5 seconds faster, I’d actually say 10 seconds but that would make the M2C as fast as the CS, which isn’t realistic. Could have something to do with track conditions/weather and so on. Video by Sport Auto available on YouTube, they mention BMW’s laptime in the comments.

https://youtu.be/yJTU0B90Cl4?si=FdNBupkuvbxykOTH

Summarizing:

G87 7:38
F87CS ~7:45
F87C ~7:55

I see Sport Auto had the M4 Comp 2wd do a 7:30.
How does the G87 compare to it? New track vs old is throwing me off. Is it 7 seconds slower? Or 2?

[Ratcher]

Originally Posted by Landpirate1973

I see Sport Auto had the M4 Comp 2wd do a 7:30.
How does the G87 compare to it? New track vs old is throwing me off. Is it 7 seconds slower? Or 2?

The G80 and G82’s laptimes are on the new layout, therefore the difference between both is 8 seconds.

Remember that Sport Auto is never as fast as a BMW factory driver. That often accounts to 10 seconds. Whereas G87’s 7:38 was performed by a factory driver.