[M2_Mike]

[ronin13013]

That's amazing!! The grip is incredible.

Originally Posted by M2_Mike

[M2PDX]

I would have been pleased to see the new M2 simply match the CS. But to see such a huge improvement in lap times from the pinnacle of the F87 to the entry level G87 is impressive!

[Ctothej]

Trying to imagine what the G87 CS will do and I just cant!

[Tag]

Before starting...
BMW ///M No, no, no, get those shitty cast wheels off the M2 and put on some 827M's FFS.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

I would have been pleased to see the new M2 simply match the CS. But to see such a huge improvement in lap times from the pinnacle of the F87 to the entry level G87 is impressive!

Improvements are always good, but to be fair, a couple of points:

1- the G87 doesn’t have “versions”, so we can’t say it’s the “entry level” car yet. Newer versions will improve on performance. IMO
2- I don’t think the F87 ever had Cup2 tires, right? So the CS and the G87 are matched with same Cup2 tires (albeit a bit wider in the G87, and exclusively mounted on the CS). This explains why it runs like a CS in terms of time (improving a bit due to more grip likely and more speed because of more power).

Things to consider. A G87 CS would likely be similar to the G80 CS we saw, so about 10 seconds quicker.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by Tag

Before starting...
BMW ///M No, no, no, get those shitty cast wheels off the M2 and put on some 827M's FFS.

Why - the car did well as equipped. I receive compliments on my 930M bicolor almost daily!!!!!!

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

Before starting...
BMW ///M No, no, no, get those shitty cast wheels off the M2 and put on some 827M's FFS.

Non-cast wheels will be included int the CS weight loss marketing.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Non-cast wheels will be included int the CS weight loss marketing.

I think forged wheels would be a given, but looking at the M3 and M3CS prices, the premium is about 2/3 extra before adding the CCB option. If the M2CS follows the same pattern, I would think a similar premium together with a similar power output and automatic only configuration would be likely.

That would mean base prices in the respective markets of about USD$105K, CAD$135K or GBP£100K.

[F87EVO]

Can you post the the F87 M2 CS laptime by BMW M Factory driver as well please?

Christian Gebhardt for instance who made a laptime with the M2 CS did 7:43. But thats far from factory drivers lap times. He has at least 5-10 secs difference in comparison with Factory race drivers. https://uk.motor1.com/news/518618/am...rburgring-lap/

He is a great driver but he is not like factory drivers.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by MisanoBlue

Can you post the the F87 M2 CS laptime by BMW M Factory driver as well please?

Christian Gebhardt for instance who made a laptime with the M2 CS did 7:43. But thats far from factory drivers lap times. He has at least 5-10 secs difference in comparison with Factory race drivers. https://uk.motor1.com/news/518618/am...rburgring-lap/

He is a great driver but he is not like factory drivers.

If I am not mistaken, that time set by the M2CS was made on the 'short' track, while that of the G87 on the longer track. Which means another 4-5 seconds difference.

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

If I am not mistaken, that time set by the M2CS was made on the 'short' track, while that of the G87 on the longer track. Which means another 4-5 seconds difference.

Both G87 and F87 were tested from BTG. You can see it the videos of both although i cant find the full laptime of the G87 it seems in the end that it finishes at the same spot.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by MisanoBlue

Both G87 and F87 were tested from BTG. You can see it the videos of both although i cant find the full laptime of the G87 it seems in the end that it finishes at the same spot.

You have to consider where the lap starts, and I confirm that the F87 was tested on the 20.6 km track and the G87 on the 20.8 km track (it is clearly shown in the video at 2:28).

Here you can see where the short track begins and where the long track begins (at the beginning or end of the first straight).

[F87EVO]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

You have to consider where the lap starts, and I confirm that the F87 was tested on the 20.6 km track and the G87 on the 20.8 km track (it is clearly shown in the video).

Here you can see the difference between the two layouts and where the short track begins and where the long track begins (at the beginning or end of the first straight).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=bfO...ature=youtu.be

True. Got your point , i thought you were talking about the straight or the GP track. It could be much simpler if they all were measuring the whole track. Sure , the G87 is as expected faster than the F87 just like every car its faster to its older one. Just like a 991 GT3RS was to the 997 GT3RS for instance. A bit bigger and heavier but much faster. Technology moves on , everything gets faster by time. Its fast until the next one. See 992. Faster doesn't mean better , by that terms the E30 M3 would be garbage. Ah and i know which one i would choose out of the 997 and 991. Not to speak for the 992 which takes performance on just another level - So refined that is just too easy , boring on the road even , needs a track to extract its character.

But there isnt better or worse , i really think each one of us have a sweet spot , a car he/she thinks that ticks all of the boxes. And thats the beauty after all.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by MisanoBlue

True. Got your point , i thought you were talking about the straight or the GP track. It could be much simpler if they all were measuring the whole track. Sure , the G87 is as expected faster than the F87 just like every car its faster to its older one. Just like a 991 GT3RS was to the 997 GT3RS for instance. A bit bigger and heavier but much faster. Technology moves on , everything gets faster by time. Its fast until the next one. See 992. Faster doesn't mean better , by that terms the E30 M3 would be garbage. Ah and i know which one i would choose out of the 997 and 991. Not to speak for the 992 which takes performance on just another level - So refined that is just too easy , boring on the road even , needs a track to extract its character.

But there isnt better or worse , i really think each one of us have a sweet spot , a car he/she thinks that ticks all of the boxes. And thats the beauty after all.

I totally agree with you, but I would not attach too much importance to the Ring times, they are a pleasant subject to discuss among car enthusiasts, but far from being a scientific measure for several reasons.
And I also agree that 992 is a "too perfect" car to be desirable for me (excluding GT3, although I would still take a raw Mezger 997 over any other), but it is a matter of personal tastes.

[fcman]

Pretty good time. Not quite as quick as I was hoping, but at the end of the day lap times don't matter. That puts it around a 7:34.5-7:35 in the 20.6km Sport Auto config

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by Tag

Before starting...
BMW ///M No, no, no, get those shitty cast wheels off the M2 and put on some 827M's FFS.

I did exactly that!