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PER already passed LEC with his first stop to inters; this was an undercut that worked very good. (PER came in in lap 17, LEC in lap 18, PER passes LEC when he is in the pitlane) PER later passed SAI when SAI came in for slicks. (SAI didn't come in for inters and thus lost time) Only VER profited from the Ferrari screw up; in that ~4-5 sec LEC lost with the pitincedent, Max could pass LEC, but that PER won the race was pure pitstop strategy. When to come in and when not to. So without that Ferrari screw up the outcome would be 1. PER 2. SAI 3. LEC 4. VER And then probably with team orders SAI and LEC would have swapped places (or LEC might have just come on track before SAI). But the ferrari screw up resulted only for LEC to loose 1 place. That person happened to be Max.
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This was also around the time when the track had dry lines forming and sainz thought it would be full dry soon. So Ferrari botched the response, and could've went for the overcut and just kept pushing on the wets till it was time for slicks, because there is almost zero chance of overtaking in Monaco even if Checho caught up. But by then Leclerc would've had a pit stop in hand. But no, Ferrari botched the response to Perez by waiting 2 laps and botched the switch to slicks. Redbull did absolutely nothing spectacular in strategy, they did only standard things that any team does when behind and that's either undercut or overcut, Ferrari just messed up.
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And it didn't take LEC 2 laps to respond, but 1 lap and a part of a lap (as he was already past start/finish when PER pitted). So LEC passed start /finish 1 time before he pitted after PER did. Anyway, you're looking for excuses to proove your point.... this is not important at all and certainly not worth to label it "completely incorrect"... Quote:
You say to "either undercut or overcut"...what's that kind of an argument?!? summing up both possibilities. Don't you understand that only one of them works in favour at that time? The strategy is choosing the right one at the right time. RB chose the right one. Ferrari the wrong one. Ferrari messing up with the double box gave Max 3rd, but wouldn't have made single difference for PER winning. Keeping out on wets and go to slicks in 1 go also wasn't the right strategy.... PER overtook SAI that way. So PER/RB won through: 1. choosing the right time to go to intermediates (passing LEC) 2. choosing the right tyre strategy (passing SAI) So beating ferrari's strategy not once, but twice. I call that superior. But you're as usual the Debbie Downer when RB wins...
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In fact F1 published data supports my conclusion: https://www.formula1.com/en/results....p-summary.html Look at the time of day as well, Leclerc comes in over 3 mins after Perez. That's concrete proof it was 2 laps later, no need for live video feed which again can have lap counters updated slowly. Zero "excuses" or emotions or team loyalty to prove my point just cold hard facts and data. Debbie Downer? More like you're over hyping every little thing redbull does, I'm always realistic no matter what the team. I don't jump to conclusions, just like when Merc got the fastest trap speed last race, I didn't jump to conclusions because the data looked like an anomaly. Did I say it was a bad strategy? No, I said it wasn't anything spectacular, just an under cut that worked compounded by Ferrari screwing up by a 2 lap late response. When you're on a track where over taking isn't possible the strategy is over cut or undercut to try and gain track position, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, nothing special just common strategy.
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No, 1 lap and part of a lap (9/10 or so; whatever his lead was on PER prior to pitting; 6-10 sec or so).
LEC passed start/finish 1 time before he pitted after PER. If it was 2 complete laps later, he would have passed start/finish twice before pitting after LEC. And he didn't. It was 1 time. Quote:
And thus winning the race. I call that superior. A Debbie Downer calls it nothing special. Calling winning Monaco while starting from 3rd a "little thing"...Debbie Downer indeed. But whatever man....
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Yup it was officially L17 when Checo stopped after the start line in the RB box shown on the sky tv and a brilliant strat that Ferrari just couldn't match with the top gun strat'ers at RB. Max got it right also to just outgun Chas in the nick of time for third with his wheels true and straight to the yellow pit exit line ending that Ferrari mistakenly thought was on the other side which they tried in vain protesting as a knee jerk reaction to their interrupted pit stop (together with Sainz's failure to come in for inters) Binotto saying they wanted clarification.
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https://www.racefans.net/2022/05/29/...mes-and-tyres/ However if you look at the more accurate F1 reported box times and not the lap counter which is inaccurate especially on the live broad cast, you see charles boxed exactly 2 mins and 57 seconds after perez boxed. This is 177 seconds, does this look like 92 seconds to you? Times are concrete, no worrying about the broad casters changing the lap counter, no worrying about who the race leader is to set the lap count. The data doesn't lie, ferrari botched the response and that led to redbull taking over. Redbull's strategy would have gotten them nothing if ferrari were so stupid and either boxed the lap of to respond to perez or tried to hold off and do a one stop to dries. The pit stop time for redbull was 24 seconds on perez, so if ferrari wanted to they had essentially 20 laps (even if perez was 1 second a lap faster on the inters) to buy time for the track to dry and try an alternative one stop strat to slicks, but nope they dropped the ball hard. So call me a debbie downer all you want, you don't have any concrete data just screen shots of an inaccurate lap counter. I have solid timing from f1 and lap time charts of the race. It's not the lap that is important it was how long ferrari took to respond, and the data doesn't lie it was essentially 2 laps. So they botched the response to redbull, there was nothing superb or extraordinary about redbulls strategy. Just simple undercut and hope it was dry enough that the undercut on inters was powerful enough to put them in the lead. But it wouldn't have been if ferrari responded immediately within the 92 second window or knew they botched it and gambled for a one stop to slicks.
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^ In the end it doesn't really matter if it was L16 or L17. Checo was told to box just yards from the pit entrance flummoxing Ferrari efforts for any surprise they were going to pull and it seemed like an eternity Lec doing another lap coming in on 18 the same time as Max.
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But the Ferrari strategy really s@cks , It's part of the Ferrari tradition ... Mercedes knows as well how it is to screw it completely up.. Still fresh in our memories :
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LETS FUCKING GOOO CHECO!!!
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Congrats to Checo on signing a 2 year extension - well deserved.
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Are they still around?
Hammy is getting driving lessons from his new teammate race after race. Points difference is now 34 points. We all suspected last year that something like this would happen when Hammy would get a talented driver next to him, but that it would be this bad.... He has to work really really hard to make up that point difference to RUS to keep any credibility for this year. Not that I care, the racing between RB and Ferrari is so much better, and the top tier drivers show eachother so much more respect.
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Potty mouth Leclerc. His team handed him 4th.
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