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Advertising success is definitely judged on sales results. Once again here’s another thing that has a measured success by how many sales it produces. So the actual product and whatever was used to sell the products are all measured by sales numbers and money. Only sales and only money. This is so simple that usually everyone in the company from the owner to the night janitors understand this. |
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M variants are positioned as the higher-tier/performing BMWs, who's backwards idea was that to add some '80s-era lighting technology onto one of them, standard, regardless of the cost. I'm glad physical limitations prevailed and to add to your trivia, its might be the only reason the 1M was given LCI taillights also, even though it was a 2011 model year (regular 1 Series had 2012 for the LCI); Xenon LCI headlights required a FRM3 (footwell module), which only worked in conjunction with the LED taillights, for that generation. Last edited by Poochie; 07-26-2021 at 05:49 AM.. |
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They cost more than twice as much. I would love to own your car. I think it’s absolutely beautiful. However I do want to stay married. I need someone to do my laundry and keep the bathrooms clean.
Lucky for me I think the G80 is absolutely stunningly gorgeous. So I get a car I love and I get my laundry done. Everyone’s happy. |
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Agreed. Many of the better ///M cars BMW has ever made did not fly off dealer lots.
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Yes, the 911turbo is massively more expensive than the M3/4. In my case, I figured if I make the jump, might as well make it worthwhile. The point though is that if I would have been pleased with what the G8X had to offer, I would be driving one right now with more money in my bank account.
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I swear I wish some of you were my sales manager. Life would be easy. We could invent all new reasons as to why some months are bad or even some years. Oh I’m definitely luckily married. My wife is awesome and didn’t care I bought the M car. But there’s a huge difference between 90K and 190K. Especially for me and my income bracket. I’m not saying I couldn’t pull it off but boy I would have to sacrifice a lot of other things to get there. |
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F8x enthusiasts' gripe with G8x did start with the design, but the other reason, that is arguably just as significant for the majority of auto-only market, is the loss of DCT.
Some markets (UK and parts of Asia for example) do not get MT as option and this means unlike the previous generation, the returning customers are faced with going for another generic slushbox over more interesting propositions like 718/911 with PDK or keeping their current F8x. You would say these cars are not direct competitors but from what I have seen M3/4 customers in this market have multiple cars in the garage, so they are looking for an occasion car when shopping around M3/4, not another high powered generic German vehicles. Consequently, one would argue majority of buyers are not financially burdened with making a jump to P cars.
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I would disagree. Maybe "financially burdened" is a strong descriptor, but there is an average difference of about $40-50k between a nicely optioned M3/M4 and a nicely optioned Carrera S. The MSRP on my Carrera S is $142k. The MSRP on the G82 that I had ordered/cancelled was $85k-ish. Neither car had all of the boxes ticked. That is a phenomenal difference in car price…..and I didn't even go crazy on my C2S either. The Porsches are not in the same world. Anybody trying to align the price brackets are fooling themselves. Most Porsche builds I have seen online and in dealerships are in the $140k-165k range; a "stripper" would be somewhere in the 125k range…..which is still $40k above a well optioned M3/M4. |
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And that's with me trying my best not to check every option because man it adds up fast Porsche cars are absolute masterpieces Especially a GT variant
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A bit off topic but value retention is much higher for Pcars as well.
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