[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by eluded

I think that car enthusiasts say —the auto is stupid and something that sucks the soul out of your body. The MT is the only reason to get the G87 which is the best analog experience you can have in a 2024 model. Just go EV if you want the numbers. Tesla M3P is impressive, cheaper, and the new plaid version will be even better.

I think it's not car "enthusiasts" as much as just older owners who are stuck in their ways. Actual "enthusiasts (however that term is defined) look at a vehicle's total package of attributes, not one single option. If you live anywhere with even a decent amount of traffic, daily driving a vehicle with a manual transmission will definitely suck the soul out of your body. If the vehicle is your weekend toy, by all means get a manual.

99.99% of owners can't use the vehicle's full potential, and definitely not on the street, so arguing over which version is faster is pointless. If you're planning to track the vehicle and you're concerned about times, you already know the auto is the better choice.

[BroDoze]

After 4 years of ownership and driving my 135i MT through traffic as a daily, I told myself I’d never get a BMW MT again. The MT / clutch / shifter etc in the 135i wasn’t particularly great. In fact it sucked. I even put a short shifter in and that didn’t help. I put a clutch stop in and that helped but only so much. I never did the CDV delete - I should have.

So what do I do? This many years later, I’m building an MT BMW again.

I think the Ultra pedal, CDV delete, ssk etc will all help this one out. It felt better on my test drives than my 135i did stock.

I don’t know - tough call. I’ve daily’d an auto CUV for the last like 7 years and am itching for another manual sports car. Hope I’m not making a mistake.

[abrandonment]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

After 4 years of ownership and driving my 135i MT through traffic as a daily, I told myself I’d never get a BMW MT again. The MT / clutch / shifter etc in the 135i wasn’t particularly great. In fact it sucked. I even put a short shifter in and that didn’t help. I put a clutch stop in and that helped but only so much. I never did the CDV delete - I should have.

So what do I do? This many years later, I’m building an MT BMW again.

I think the Ultra pedal, CDV delete, ssk etc will all help this one out. It felt better on my test drives than my 135i did stock.

I don’t know - tough call. I’ve daily’d an auto CUV for the last like 7 years and am itching for another manual sports car. Hope I’m not making a mistake.

The what pedal?

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

After 4 years of ownership and driving my 135i MT through traffic as a daily, I told myself I’d never get a BMW MT again. The MT / clutch / shifter etc in the 135i wasn’t particularly great. In fact it sucked. I even put a short shifter in and that didn’t help. I put a clutch stop in and that helped but only so much. I never did the CDV delete - I should have.

So what do I do? This many years later, I’m building an MT BMW again.

I think the Ultra pedal, CDV delete, ssk etc will all help this one out. It felt better on my test drives than my 135i did stock.

I don’t know - tough call. I’ve daily’d an auto CUV for the last like 7 years and am itching for another manual sports car. Hope I’m not making a mistake.

My son gives me crap all the time about being in love with many of these modern AT. My Mustang had a 10R80. It was a bit finicky when cold at light throttle, but when warm and under moderate acceleration or more it was amazing. Then I had it tuned and it hit so hard on the WOT shifts it was a lot of fun.

I think BMW has this ZF dialed in even on the high performance M platforms. Loved it in her X3MC and this M2 as well.

Would a MT M2 be fun at times? I'm sure it would and I've owned plenty MT over the years, but for my wants, needs and performance it's AT all the way for me.

There is no right or wrong. Whatever floats your canoe.

[Mr. Hankey]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

There is no right or wrong. Whatever floats your canoe.

Some of us like to paddle our canoe.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by eluded

I think that car enthusiasts say —the auto is stupid and something that sucks the soul out of your body. The MT is the only reason to get the G87 which is the best analog experience you can have in a 2024 model. Just go EV if you want the numbers. Tesla M3P is impressive, cheaper, and the new plaid version will be even better.

Exactly. Why even drive might as well take the bus.

You can't like cars, driving, or mechanical engineering unless you row gears like 90yrs ago.

By this logic we should all stop using fuel injected engines and go back to steam. It goes both ways with the all or nothing arguments.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

It's not about the total weight, it's about the center of gravity. Plenty of other performance cars offer carbon roof for the same reason. It's another reason sports cars sit lower than sedans and cross overs. It's very easy to notice changes in center of gravity and rotational mass on a car, regardless of it's overall weight.

It's not exactly that low. In fact you're eye to eye with Corolla owners.

[abrandonment]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's not exactly that low. In fact you're eye to eye with Corolla owners.

😬

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's not exactly that low. In fact you're eye to eye with Corolla owners.

Nonsense! We’re always looking down on Corolla owners…

[M2Sky]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's not exactly that low. In fact you're eye to eye with Corolla owners.

It is, really hit home when I parked next to this Aston and mines lowered quite a bit.

I think if your coming from an Alfa QV the M2 is definitely a bit more numb but it’s by no means blunt I’ve driven the Gillia QV plenty as I had a Stelvio QV for a few years and they are definitely more emotive. Totally agree the m mode and m button split is a massive quality of life gripe. I just find the m2 comes to life once your on it and is more relaxing that the alfas when your not.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's not exactly that low.

On my M2 it's 7.5" from the ground to the bottom of the front fascia and 6.5" to the bottom of the rocker panels. Comparatively, my Z06 sits 3.25" (front) & 3.5" (side) off the ground. The M2 is damn near an SUV

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

On my M2 it's 7.5" from the ground to the bottom of the front fascia and 6.5" to the bottom of the rocker panels. Comparatively, my Z06 sits 3.25" (front) & 3.5" (side) off the ground. The M2 is damn near an SUV

My HAS M2:
5 15/16” ground to front fascia
5 1/2” to bottom of rocker panels

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Carefree

My HAS M2:
5 15/16” ground to front fascia
5 1/2” to bottom of rocker panels

The HAS in on my to-do list.

[MisanoblueZ4]

Originally Posted by zero21

Exactly. Why even drive might as well take the bus.

You can't like cars, driving, or mechanical engineering unless you row gears like 90yrs ago.

By this logic we should all stop using fuel injected engines and go back to steam. It goes both ways with the all or nothing arguments.

Real “enthusiasts” don’t have automatic windows. Hand crank makes for more driver involvement.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by MisanoblueZ4

Real “enthusiasts” don’t have automatic windows. Hand crank makes for more driver involvement.

If you drive windows…
Luckily we drive the car

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by zero21

It's not exactly that low. In fact you're eye to eye with Corolla owners.

Some of us optioned the M Performance suspension.