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      07-23-2021, 02:17 AM   #111
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Every car on the lot has a $10k markup. You literally cannot get an allocation for 9 months in the tri state area.
I wouldn’t dispute this, but I would still point out it is very relative. The new and used car markets are both generally insane because of the chip shortage and resulting lack of general inventory and production volume.

That being said, go try to buy a GT3 with only $10k markup. I was willing to go $20k and got laughed out of the dealership. Called from Cali to Florida and told I would either have to spend way more money or I wouldn’t see one *for the entire production cycle* without some sort of VIP status.

On the other end of the spectrum two coworkers of mine were just quoted ~6 months on a Kia Telluride locally.
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Stick to your e92 bruv. Progress isn't for everyone 👍
While you can reffer to some design as being “progressive”, is in fact just an expression that has nothing to do with design. Progress is made in terms of technical achievements. A design might be progressive to you and a regress to others.
While the engineers seem to offer the progress, the BMw designers manage to destroy any clues of it....
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      07-23-2021, 03:01 AM   #113
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I actually like the more clean understated design of this front bumper, instead of an overly aggressive overstyled one with too many lines and creases.
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Personally don't see any issues with the front end, it looks simple and functional - certainly not polarising by any means.

Some folks are never happy with any design BMW come out with these days, first it was the big grille of the G8x and when bmw give the baby M a 'normal' grille then it's everything else with the front facia and at this stage the final product hasn't even been seen yet. Some ppl just can't stop whinging I guess
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      07-23-2021, 05:01 AM   #115
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Personally don't see any issues with the front end, it looks simple and functional - certainly not polarising by any means.

Some folks are never happy with any design BMW come out with these days, first it was the big grille of the G8x and when bmw give the baby M a 'normal' grille then it's everything else with the front facia and at this stage the final product hasn't even been seen yet. Some ppl just can't stop whinging I guess
It's hard to like a bland design as a current M2 owner who absolutely loves the design of the first generation

I am extremely hopeful but what I am seeing in these leaks is somewhat frightening

The leaked front bumper is absolutely boring

I hope the finished product looks much much better
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I haven't liked pretty much anything BMW has released in the past 10 years—-BUT I liked the G42 and I like these spy shots. They are going much more old school with it which is so great!

I just hope they can keep the weight down, and hope they stick with a manual.
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      07-23-2021, 05:44 AM   #117
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I kind of like it. Looks sturdy and easy to remove. My only concerns is how long will it take to get once produced.
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Personally don't see any issues with the front end, it looks simple and functional - certainly not polarising by any means.

Some folks are never happy with any design BMW come out with these days, first it was the big grille of the G8x and when bmw give the baby M a 'normal' grille then it's everything else with the front facia and at this stage the final product hasn't even been seen yet. Some ppl just can't stop whinging I guess
It's hard to like a bland design as a current M2 owner who absolutely loves the design of the first generation

I am extremely hopeful but what I am seeing in these leaks is somewhat frightening

The leaked front bumper is absolutely boring

I hope the finished product looks much much better
TBH I have the G87 on the radar as a replacement to my current, and I'm hopeful BMW will get it right. From what I'm seeing it has all the right ingredients thus far. In terms of exterior styling, taking into account what's been coming out the M division of late I'd much prefer simplicity and elegance rather than it being over styled. Either way I doubt it will trump the F87 in the looks department!
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      07-23-2021, 06:31 AM   #119
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The front reminds me of a Toyota somehow.
Let's see how the final product looks like.
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      07-23-2021, 06:35 AM   #120
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The F87 M2 looks fantastic in all iterations. I don't think this looks bad but I don't understand the need to make design changes just for the sake of being different.
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Stick to your e92 bruv. Progress isn't for everyone 👍
Lol not sure if you wanna call dog shit design "progress" but aight. I'm sure the cars will continue to drive "better" but look worse.
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I would bet that the hood will look very similar to the one of the new M3/M4. This grill looks like the one of the M3/M4 but without the lower part. The lines of the grill should this be in continuity with those of the hood, as for the M3/M4. My guess is that the original design was similar to the one of the G80/G82, and they just removed the lower part of the grill because of the overwhelming negative comments. So on the M240i, you now have a power dome, and on the G87 you’ll have lines. I can’t say I’m happy with this hypothesis, but it seems likely to me.
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      07-23-2021, 07:46 AM   #123
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Looks like i was wrong about the leaked bumper pic from China being fake.Hopefully the final design will look better with this bumper because i still don’t like the look of it in the leaked pics.
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      07-23-2021, 07:56 AM   #124
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Not someone who goes by "e92 fan" I can tell you that much
LMAO some people have no sense of self awareness
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      07-23-2021, 07:57 AM   #125
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Meh, I'm not offended nor excited.

I went in with low expectations because for my personal tastes the F87 is the perfect blend of aggressive styling while still maintaining a clean and classy BMW look. I still look at her every time I walk away. So I think no matter what the G87 looks like, I wouldn't find it as attractive.

That said, as long as this car is a blast to drive, I'll be in line for one. I like the overall look of the M240 so I expect I'll like the look of the G87 as well…just not as much as my F87. But like I said, I dont think BMW could have topped it for me.
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      07-23-2021, 08:02 AM   #126
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Once again the leaks on here are proven to be correct.

This is going the same way as the G8x release. First the leaks, the denials that it can't be true, and then everything all starts to become reality.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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I will hold judgement for the big picture but the grill is reasonably sized and even the horizontal slats do not look too bad. The M2 still in the running for the next purchase.
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And then the strong sales.
Maybe I am wrong but I do not think the 4 series is selling well. I hardly see any on the road.
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The Chinese found out first?

lmao!!
Seems like they always do.
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      07-23-2021, 08:24 AM   #130
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Still better than the atrocious G8x beaver teeth
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I feel that anyone ordering a new gen M3/M4 because the front grille has grown on them is LYING!

These people are BMW/M brand loyalists and that's the reason why. Period. The front grille is hideous.

Facts!
Progress ain't for everyone. Try a safer brand like Buick, sounds like it's more your vibe.
You do realize BMW as a brand has, for the last 40 years, been conservative in its styling by design. But ok. Buick.
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Every car on the lot has a $10k markup. You literally cannot get an allocation for 9 months in the tri state area.
I wouldn't dispute this, but I would still point out it is very relative. The new and used car markets are both generally insane because of the chip shortage and resulting lack of general inventory and production volume.

That being said, go try to buy a GT3 with only $10k markup. I was willing to go $20k and got laughed out of the dealership. Called from Cali to Florida and told I would either have to spend way more money or I wouldn't see one *for the entire production cycle* without some sort of VIP status.

On the other end of the spectrum two coworkers of mine were just quoted ~6 months on a Kia Telluride locally.
It's only a matter of time before this cycle ends, as inflation is rocketing up— if the fed raises interests to cool down the housing market, then game over for the ridiculous over MRSP markups. Miami/SoBe, NYC/Gold Coast, Silicon Valley, Austin, and Seattle are areas that are insulated and can always demand top 💰

The federal entitlement hand outs end in September, hopefully, the market cools down. I for one have paying for hundreds of these entitlement hand outs:
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