[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Reesnat

You really know it all Bro

Just experience of quite a few properly designed tracks that I use. Perhaps you don't have much experience in that regard? There aren't many "round the pole" hairpins out there these days.

[Reesnat]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Just experience of quite a few properly designed tracks that I use. Perhaps you don't have much experience in that regard? There aren't many "round the pole" hairpins out there these days.

No idea when this conversation turned into a flex on race track design/experience. Yes we have very poorly designed tracks and roads in our country that we have to live with, and make choices accordingly.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by Reesnat

No idea when this conversation turned into a flex on race track design/experience. Yes we have very poorly designed tracks and roads in our country that we have to live with, and make choices accordingly.

Sorry to hear that. I'm lucky that we do have some well designed tracks that are just excellent for manual transmission cars.

[akumachu]

Speaking of engagement, I got so much of it yesterday.
I was pedaling the stationary bike and that added resistance really made me work for my speed.
Nothing electronic and pure mechanical feel!

Anyway, just try to lightening up here a little. My car is actually ready for pick up tomorrow allegedly (it was supposed to be today of course).
I will hopefully feel what you guys are feeling, that how great the G87 is, regardless of transmission.

[El SID]

Originally Posted by Reesnat

Not yet, but the facts don't change (6 gears vs 8). I drove the manual Cayman GT4 and then the PDK GTS, the manual GT4 with its massively long gears was not doing justice to the engine (as incredible as it was), in my opinion (and many, many others).

The same has been said by just about every person who has driven the manual vs auto on the G87 too, so its relatable.

If working the pedals is your thing, great go for it. But that is not the best pairing for the engine or to extract the most from it, that's all I am trying to say.

Fortunately, I didn’t listen to any of the naysayers regarding the manual. Took delivery of my G87 6 weeks ago and could be more satisfied. I’m quite sure that the ZF8 may be quicker, however, it’s not the same experience. The gears are not too long. The shifter action is quite nice, and the clutch engagement is very good.

I own a manual 718 GT4 as well. Those gears are LONG! I had to swap the gear set with more appropriate ratios.

I’m actually hoping that people don’t buy the manual G87 M2 so it’s discontinued that much sooner.

Final point: you didn’t drive it. You cannot speak from experience 😊

[OldButSmooth]

Originally Posted by uclaman

What are people ordering and why?

Does anyone know of a good link or video comparing the transmission options?

I tried posting on the app but for some reason I could not access this subforum on the app(prob because Im a noob on the app)

I purchased the 6MT purely for the driver involvement, the M2 for the greater part is a very digital experience and by going manual transmission I have introduced a degree of analogue into each drive. The second reason for the MT is to make the car as theft proof as possible....three pedals remain a challenge to many (especially young would be thieves).

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by islandfalconer

Cars don’t need to be electric and boring. There’s just no old school engineers and designers involved anymore. We have MIT Grads designing rolling computers.

What we need is gearheads to design an electric sports car.

I’d love to strap an electric motor to the gearbox of a 911 and shove the battery up front and get near 50/50 weight distribution with all the fun of instant torque and HP.

1) If you think all MIT people don't like fast cars (or explosives, or breaking and entering), you haven't actually met a lot of MIT people. I have, and a lot of them are party animals, pyromaniacs, wrench monkeys, or all three. One of the best autocrossers I know is a MIT grad, a mechanical engineer. Fabs his own manifolds, that kind of stuff.

2) You need to check out the E-Ray. SavageGeese just put up a great review. That's a car where the electric motor was ONLY added to increase performance. The E-Ray gets the same poor gas mileage as the base C8, lol. The battery supplies power on demand to the front wheels to supplement the midengine V8.

[ronin13013]

I've owned 3 BMWs. All Manuals. It's a lifestyle. One of my manuals was xdrive. A Manual xdrive in the snow...

[akumachu]

Originally Posted by Squidget

1) If you think all MIT people don't like fast cars (or explosives, or breaking and entering), you haven't actually met a lot of MIT people. I have, and a lot of them are party animals, pyromaniacs, wrench monkeys, or all three. One of the best autocrossers I know is a MIT grad, a mechanical engineer. Fabs his own manifolds, that kind of stuff.

2) You need to check out the E-Ray. SavageGeese just put up a great review. That's a car where the electric motor was ONLY added to increase performance. The E-Ray gets the same poor gas mileage as the base C8, lol. The battery supplies power on demand to the front wheels to supplement the midengine V8.

Must be Justin you are talking. Great dude. Squidget, you autocross too?

[Ian Rogers]

Originally Posted by Squidget

1) If you think all MIT people don't like fast cars (or explosives, or breaking and entering), you haven't actually met a lot of MIT people. I have, and a lot of them are party animals, pyromaniacs, wrench monkeys, or all three. One of the best autocrossers I know is a MIT grad, a mechanical engineer. Fabs his own manifolds, that kind of stuff.

2) You need to check out the E-Ray. SavageGeese just put up a great review. That's a car where the electric motor was ONLY added to increase performance. The E-Ray gets the same poor gas mileage as the base C8, lol. The battery supplies power on demand to the front wheels to supplement the midengine V8.

Didn't Click and Clack the Tappet Brother go to MIT. They are about as car person as one gets.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

I've owned 3 BMWs. All Manuals. It's a lifestyle. One of my manuals was xdrive. A Manual xdrive in the snow...

My ex's E91 6MT 328xi was a blast in snow.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by akumachu

Must be Justin you are talking. Great dude. Squidget, you autocross too?

Used to, not anymore. Just never quite find the time. Someday I'll get back into it, I keep telling myself... Buy a miata and go to town...

[shehatezme]

There is no right or wrong answer here. I think if you are chasing lap times or this is going to be a commuter car, the ZF8 is fantastic. I have zf8 in our 5 series. For me this is more of a weekend car so I decided to get manual and I have been really enjoying it. I think it really depends on what your use case is. Again no right or wrong answer. Ppl need to chill out on the manual vs zf8.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by shehatezme

There is no right or wrong answer here. I think if you are chasing lap times or this is going to be a commuter car, the ZF8 is fantastic. I have zf8 in our 5 series. For me this is more of a weekend car so I decided to get manual and I have been really enjoying it. I think it really depends on what your use case is. Again no right or wrong answer. Ppl need to chill out on the manual vs zf8.

Totally. Choice of transmission is a matter of taste, just like car color. Anyone arguing there's an "objective best answer" is ignoring the fact that we use our cars for different things.

I only drive manuals, it's been that way since I was a kid, but that's because I love the "mini-game" of rowing gears and the challenge of rev matching. It keeps me engaged, it keeps me from zoning out.

But there are a million reasons why someone else may prefer the automatic, and they are just as valid as my reasons. A matter of taste, no more, no less.

[ronin13013]

This is so true!! Rowing gears is half the fun. The nuance is the clutch modulation based on any given scenario. Puttering around town. Merging in traffic. Planning gear changing based on cornering needs. The skill ceiling is high enough where you are always learning. You become one with the RPM gauge. Respect to the guys getting 3.8 zero to 60s...In a manual lol!

Originally Posted by Squidget

Totally. Choice of transmission is a matter of taste, just like car color. Anyone arguing there's an "objective best answer" is ignoring the fact that we use our cars for different things.

I only drive manuals, it's been that way since I was a kid, but that's because I love the "mini-game" of rowing gears and the challenge of rev matching. It keeps me engaged, it keeps me from zoning out.

But there are a million reasons why someone else may prefer the automatic, and they are just as valid as my reasons. A matter of taste, no more, no less.

[matty_f]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

Respect to the guys getting 3.8 zero to 60s...In a manual lol!

And thoughts and prayers for their synchros and clutch plates. 😆

[ronin13013]

Disclaimer. Amateurs need not apply.

Originally Posted by matty_f

And thoughts and prayers for their synchros and clutch plates. 😆

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Totally. Choice of transmission is a matter of taste, just like car color. Anyone arguing there's an "objective best answer" is ignoring the fact that we use our cars for different things.

I only drive manuals, it's been that way since I was a kid, but that's because I love the "mini-game" of rowing gears and the challenge of rev matching. It keeps me engaged, it keeps me from zoning out.

But there are a million reasons why someone else may prefer the automatic, and they are just as valid as my reasons. A matter of taste, no more, no less.

This of course is all wrong. What BMW needs to do is buy back all of the automatic G87s and crush them. Then fine the previous auto owners and give that money to the 6 speed guys/gals.

I have spoken.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Totally. Choice of transmission is a matter of taste, just like car color. Anyone arguing there's an "objective best answer" is ignoring the fact that we use our cars for different things.

I only drive manuals, it's been that way since I was a kid, but that's because I love the "mini-game" of rowing gears and the challenge of rev matching. It keeps me engaged, it keeps me from zoning out.

But there are a million reasons why someone else may prefer the automatic, and they are just as valid as my reasons. A matter of taste, no more, no less.

2nd this. I am a 6MT fanboy and I believe there is somehting connecting to the car by being part of it vs just driving it in auto. Nothing wrong with that- but for this type of car I am 6MT all the way. Maybe a diff story if I opted for the G82 instead- G87 is a beast on the manual platform.

[two_three_two]

the stick is the whole appeal to me IMHO. the g87 is in a class of 1 on the new car market (6 speed, 4 seats, luxury small car). if i was OK with auto i would be in a new RS3 but the reality is that this is likely the last new stick car i will ever buy and i wanted to take advantage of that while i could.

[Reesnat]

Originally Posted by El SID

I own a manual 718 GT4 as well. Those gears are LONG! I had to swap the gear set with more appropriate ratios.

Final point: you didn’t drive it. You cannot speak from experience 😊

So I managed to try out the manual G87 last night and see what it’s like in practise.

The gears are not as long as the GT4, that much I’ll give you straight away. Also the turbo lag while present isn’t as much as I expected. The turbo lag sensitivity again varies from person to person, I am particularly sensitive to it.

Having said that, I still feel the auto pairs better with this engine, no doubt about that.

However, there is one giant elephant in the room - driving through traffic. Now this depends on your country, roads, track etc etc. For me, I need to drive about an hour from home to get to some decent roads where any sort of driving enjoyment can be had. Until that point it’s frustrating bumper to bumper traffic where the manual can get tiring.

So my inputs on this topic (without being presumptuous like some have on this thread about knowing every track or every road or everyone’s conditions) is to really evaluate based on your usual driving roads/tracks and then decide.

For me, I’m happy with my choice of auto.

[40 Cylinders]

just my 2 cents worth.... my last BMW stick was a 850csi... my first was a 635csi... and a 735i in between... a few Porsche manuals as well.. got my M2 6mt a week ago and it reminded me that all of them have way too short 1st to 2nd gears... not sure why but the PDK and the Gertrag 7 spd is way better... but I had to have the 6mt ...it's just so different than the other two trannies ... once you get to second and beyond, the 6mt is great.. love to shift... I will say the tranny could use a little more positive connection... a little like the 360 Ferrari or a good rifle bolt... but overall, it gets the job done...