04-20-2024, 05:03 PM | #1 |
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Call me crazy but.....
...... Every time I get in my wife's X3 M40i after having exclusively driven my G87 for a few days, the X3 feels lighter, more responsive and less numb. Anyone have similar feelings?
Let the flaming begin. PS, the G87 is not my first M car in case that was going to be one of the questions. |
04-20-2024, 07:43 PM | #2 |
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My wife has an X3MC, I disagree with your perception
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B58 engine's peak torque does come earlier than S58, so B58 feels more "punchy" at lower rev/city drive. S58's power delivery also feels more linear.
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X3Ms are nice rigs. Driven a few recently. They were also $90k+..
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04-21-2024, 10:33 AM | #7 |
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Having driven the X3MC and G87 M2 on track on the same day, the X3MC feels responsive for an SUV, but over confidence can be a problem as the brakes and cornering ability are somewhat less than that of the M2. The extra body roll from the higher CoG makes it feel like it is going faster, but it isn't.
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However, the difference in weight soon catches up when making high speed transitions, sweeping left and right, since there's only so much that harsher springs and dampers can handle. Physics doesn't lie. Maybe the M2 is feeling numb because traction control kicks in? Turn it off, drive without it and report back.
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Interesting topic here. My X3 MC feels pretty dynamic & agile. But I doubt once it gets pushed harder the G87 M2 would feel heavier.
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04-22-2024, 04:00 AM | #11 |
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My wife has a 2020 X3M and every time I drive it, I come back blabbing about that vehicle. Her S58 makes my M2 feel like I'm riding a minibike.
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When it comes to cornering and braking the X3M falls short of the M2, but is very good for an SUV. |
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04-22-2024, 10:10 AM | #14 |
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Our Macan S is very close to the X3 M40i in performance and feel (both were contenders for our shopping vehicle), drives like a minivan compared with the M2, but the M2 drives like a minivan compared with the Caterham. Comparisons are always relative and one gets used to how one vehicle drives until jolted back to reality in driving something that is more driver focused.
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And you can definitely call me crazy if you please, but I stick by my original statement. And yes I know much of it may have to do with the torque curve of the S58 vs the B58. I think that likely leads to the feeling of weight/sluggishness I associate with the G87. To some extent I think the G87 feels like taking practice swings with a baseball bat with a donut weight on it. I know many disagree, but after owning a lot of M cars (and other performance cars), I just don't feel as connected to the G87 as previous vehicles. Just my opinion of course. |
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The S58 is definitely a bit tame under 3k rpm, I'm still in break-in but as soon as I go into the 3k-4.5k range it wakes up a lot. Big difference in general between comfort mode and turning everything up a notch or two. Responsiveness is 100% in g87's favor though, it darts around way more then the x3. And when you start throwing them into corners the G87 is a whole other ballgame obviously. |
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Now, it feels like the G87 doesn't have that low end grunt but isn't that by design so the car is actually driveable and civilized? Once I started to experience the high end revs of the S58 then I started to realize how much better this motor is overall and the "lack" of the low end was forgiven. I have never driven another M car so I can't compare but I feel like the M2 is tuned down a little bit but for good reason to ensure it's really driveable. My two cents based on the shit-show that was my M240i.
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Lol. That's because the limits of an M2 are on a track, and the limits of an X3 are at the grocery store.
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I currently own both vehicles. There is no comparison at all. Yes, the X3 M40i is a very capable, fast SUV and punches above its weight class, but it's in no M2!
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