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Removing the compelling changes by allowing older cars to have them, reduce sales of new cars. We all know some changes are incremental (for good or worse), everywhere, there rarely is a revolution. So small bits add up (look at iPhones, for example). |
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The 3rd car I ever owned was a 2002 Mazda Protege purchased late in the model year right before the 2003's came out. In 2003 Mazda released a Mazdaspeed version of the Protege which was about a million percent better (about $7 to $8 K more. They added a turbocharger to the 2.0 liter n/a motor, came with really sweet wheels, new body components, cool interior, way better stereo system, and other stuff. I was soooo fricken pissed and wanted out of my 2002 Protege as soon as I heard about the new car.
This M2 scenario is nowhere near the same but as a recent buyer of a 2024 it's a little annoying. None of the 2025 updates are going to matter that much to me but I know I will be tempted by the future comp or CS models assuming BMW does produce them for the M2.
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02-05-2024, 03:21 PM | #28 |
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More likely a change in the ECU map to slightly bump up early and mid-range Tq and as long as that changes AUC that has to affect the number rating, but no butt dyno will ever appreciate it, yeah. Not worth it to me, wonder if thats how I moved up from #7 to #2 on my dealers list in 1 month.
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I wonder if this will actually change the dyno numbers, lol. Just like how the B58TU1 was rated at 335hp or whatever but was actually making that to the wheels, then BMW bumped it to 382hp but the dyno never changed.
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In my opinion this is just marketing strategy. Knowing that the G87s already producing more hp than advertised it is only appropriate for BMW to take advantage of that fact and use it in there strategy to continue to encourage people to buy the G87 product. But if it is true that they spent more money to reconfigure something to allow more horses then why not advertise that fact as well. Only time will tell when 2025 owners will dyno there car for bragging rights to really show a power bump. Also another way for them to sell more automatics giving you more reason why its superior to manuals. Who would have thought that killing the DCT would increase manual buyers making it half of the over all sale. I love the M brand because it allow me to enjoy a car with performance car specs within my budget up until I can afford (which will probably never happen) a 718 GT4 or better yet a 911 GT3. I'm no expert just trying to be a sensible guy.
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- They will in fact advertise the car has a 20hp bump - why would it be a way to sell more autos, if both cars get the hp bump (to be confirmed) - killing the DCT has not increased manual buyers, since the F87 had a 53% manual take rate and the LCI of the F87 kept 50%. If the G87 is at 50%, the take rate is lower or equal to the car that had the DCT as an option Given those, not much else is new other than a slight improvement over year for the car, which is good |
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So the sti had a bump in hp for the last 2 or 3 years for the last production run. I did trade up. But it was nothing, what was the most improvement was the change in 3rd gear. It really improved the car, that is what I would make me jealous is a better gear ratio.
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Small bumps in power from year to year never bothered me because I always did power mods. Had an 07 STi, 2011 STi and have a 21 Bronco 7Mt all With power mods. I agree with you on gearing changes or Even Better steering racks. When the VA STi got that killer hydraulic steering rack I had to put one in my 2011. I’ve traded up for better interior, colors etc but not 20 HP. |
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I did all the bolt-ons: FMIC, air intake, blow off valve, turbo back exhaust, lowering springs, boost controller, etc. At peak power it was something like 215 wheel HP up from around 150 from a stock dyno run. This was the car that got me interested in the tuning and sports car world. I sold it in 2010 and then didn't get back into a sports car until 2021 with my M240i, and then onto the current M2. So many good memories but I wonder if there are any out there that are not rusting away in a junkyard.
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