[M Division]

Originally Posted by mzimand

I have followed your build for a long time and think you have the perfect G42.

Thank you, appreciate it. Just a few mods really unlocks the car but even in stock form they are are brilliantly capable and fun cars. BMW nailed it.

[XC3LLR8]

All this debate over G42 vs G87 provides some morning humor. Of course the G87 is the flagship in the 2 Series lineup! Not sure how that's even arguable?

After 10 months of ownership I still find the G42 the ideal daily driver. If I wanted to track a 2 Series it would be the G87 over the G42 all day (although there's better track cars for much less).

But make no mistake about it, on a public road (thinking a weekend in the canyons) no G87 is going to ghost a G42 with comparable drivers.

[mzimand]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

All this debate over G42 vs G87 provides some morning humor. Of course the G87 is the flagship in the 2 Series lineup! Not sure how that's even arguable?

After 10 months of ownership I still find the G42 the ideal daily driver. If I wanted to track a 2 Series it would be the G87 over the G42 all day (although there's better track cars for much less).

But make no mistake about it, on a public road (thinking a weekend in the canyons) no G87 is going to ghost a G42 with comparable drivers.

This is an interesting comment as I am a pretty experienced driver and the other day I drove with a friend who was in his 2021 M2 Comp and I was barley able to keep up with him in my G42. When he and I are in similar Porsches I ghost him every time. He put a gap on my in corners and I would catch up on strait aways. The G42 catches up to almost everything in strait aways. It is a very, very quick car with really smooth power delivery. I cannot saw enough good things about the G42. For the money it is truly amazing. The only downside is the steering but I am comparing it to my GT4 and 997.2(with KW V3's). So maybe I am just expecting too much from a BMW(I am sure this statement will get some comments). Don't get me wrong though I think I will have a BMW in my garage for many years to come

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

All this debate over G42 vs G87 provides some morning humor. Of course the G87 is the flagship in the 2 Series lineup! Not sure how that's even arguable?

After 10 months of ownership I still find the G42 the ideal daily driver. If I wanted to track a 2 Series it would be the G87 over the G42 all day (although there's better track cars for much less).

But make no mistake about it, on a public road (thinking a weekend in the canyons) no G87 is going to ghost a G42 with comparable drivers.

We own a pair of 240i and have surprised (embarrassed?) Mustang and Camaro owners on numerous occasions. The trunk badging is the only identification of impending doom.

[XC3LLR8]

Originally Posted by mzimand

This is an interesting comment as I am a pretty experienced driver and the other day I drove with a friend who was in his 2021 M2 Comp and I was barley able to keep up with him in my G42. When he and I are in similar Porsches I ghost him every time. He put a gap on my in corners and I would catch up on strait aways. The G42 catches up to almost everything in strait aways. It is a very, very quick car with really smooth power delivery. I cannot saw enough good things about the G42. For the money it is truly amazing. The only downside is the steering but I am comparing it to my GT4 and 997.2(with KW V3's). So maybe I am just expecting too much from a BMW(I am sure this statement will get some comments). Don't get me wrong though I think I will have a BMW in my garage for many years to come

Does your G42 have the same tires as the M2C? If so, I’d think you’d be able to keep up pretty easy unless he’s highly tuned.

[turbowilly]

Sure, the M240i is a great car. But at the end of the day, it’s still not an M car. It will never be as good as the true M2.

[mzimand]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Does your G42 have the same tires as the M2C? If so, I’d think you’d be able to keep up pretty easy unless he’s highly tuned.

Now that you mention it at the time I drove with the M2 Comp my car was tock with 225F/265R but I have since upgraded it with Eibach Pro springs, 245F/265R and 15mm front 12mm rear spacers. It has made a huge difference. I think you might be right and would probably keep up with him now.

[mzimand]

Originally Posted by turbowilly

Sure, the M240i is a great car. But at the end of the day, it’s still not an M car. It will never be as good as the true M2.

This is what I am hoping for as I have never owned a true M car.

[XC3LLR8]

Originally Posted by turbowilly

Sure, the M240i is a great car. But at the end of the day, it’s still not an M car. It will never be as good as the true M2.

You get what you pay for.

[bmwdrive]

I don't know exactly why, but just sitting in an M2 felt like a nicer interior than the M240i. The M240i is close, but maybe the carbon fiber trim lifts the interior of the M2. The carbon roof also made the cabin more roomy for me so I had plenty of headroom.

I have never driven either of them so no comment on that part. I have however driven both the M340i and the M3 and there is a very big difference in the way the cars feel, even if one isn't necessarily faster than the other on the street, assuming I don't want to get arrested.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by turbowilly

Sure, the M240i is a great car. But at the end of the day, it’s still not an M car. It will never be as good as the true M2.

That entirely depends on your priorities.

[M2PDX]

Make no mistake about it. The G42 is a great car!

But it is not an M car. It is missing the adaptive dampers, extra bracing, cooling enhancements, limited slip diff, extra hp and torque, larger wheels and tires, performance settings, a 6MT, etc. none of which are available on the G42.

All that will, of course, make it more of a performance car. Harder edged. Best for canyon carving, track days, or just overall hooliganism.

For those of us who like that ... only an M2 will do.

We should all celebrate the fact that BMW gives us a choice. Not many manufacturers do that anymore.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Make no mistake about it. The G42 is a great car!

But it is not an M car. It is missing the adaptive dampers, extra bracing, cooling enhancements, limited slip diff, extra hp and torque, larger wheels and tires, performance settings, a 6MT, etc. none of which are available on the G42.

All that will, of course, make it more of a performance car. Harder edged. Best for canyon carving, track days, or just overall hooliganism.

For those of us who like that ... only an M2 will do.

We should all celebrate the fact that BMW gives us a choice. Not many manufacturers do that anymore.

One correction G42/G20 with the B58 does have a torque vectoring LSD standard from the F87 and is optional on the B48 as well. Adaptive dampers are also optional on the M-lites. Regardless M2/M3 are still superior handling machines to the M240/M340i's.

[mzimand]

I just setup a drive tomorrow at ACH and am hoping to test my newly upgraded G42 against a few M2 Comps. I will report back. Maybe I will even see a G87.

[XC3LLR8]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Make no mistake about it. The G42 is a great car!

But it is not an M car. It is missing the adaptive dampers, extra bracing, cooling enhancements, limited slip diff, extra hp and torque, larger wheels and tires, performance settings, a 6MT, etc. none of which are available on the G42.

All that will, of course, make it more of a performance car. Harder edged. Best for canyon carving, track days, or just overall hooliganism.

For those of us who like that ... only an M2 will do.

We should all celebrate the fact that BMW gives us a choice. Not many manufacturers do that anymore.

Everything in bold red above my G42 has from the factory, except for the extra bracing. I added strut bracing but it's only eye candy, makes no noticeable difference.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Everything in bold red above my G42 has from the factory, except for the extra bracing. I added strut bracing but it's only eye candy, makes no noticeable difference.

No, the G42 does not have the same factory provided, specifically M tuned parts in any of these areas. I.e. extra bracing at the C pillar. Or the adaptive dampers out of the M3/4.

If it did, it would be an M2.

Please do your research before posting.

They are different folks. Why is the whole G42 crowd so upset about all this?

It's like the fake M badge crowd all over again.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Everything in bold red above my G42 has from the factory, except for the extra bracing. I added strut bracing but it's only eye candy, makes no noticeable difference.

You are way off...it in no way has the M performance settings the G87 M2 has. The suspension is different, as well (no matter what you may have added).

[Ravenseal]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Make no mistake about it. The G42 is a great car!

But it is not an M car. It is missing the adaptive dampers, extra bracing, cooling enhancements, limited slip diff, extra hp and torque, larger wheels and tires, performance settings, a 6MT, etc. none of which are available on the G42.

All that will, of course, make it more of a performance car. Harder edged. Best for canyon carving, track days, or just overall hooliganism.

For those of us who like that ... only an M2 will do.

We should all celebrate the fact that BMW gives us a choice. Not many manufacturers do that anymore.

Everyone else has already pointed out the M240i comes with half the things you listed, but I'm just gonna pile on. Lmao.

[kyrix1st]

You need a $10,000+ worth of engine tuning, upgraded cooling and suspension and even then, it will not match M2 level of hardware and performance. For one, engine isn't just about longitudinal acceleration; oil supply system is crucial to lateral acceleration, of which B58 lacks vs. any M engine.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by bmwd

I don't know exactly why, but just sitting in an M2 felt like a nicer interior than the M240i. The M240i is close, but maybe the carbon fiber trim lifts the interior of the M2. The carbon roof also made the cabin more roomy for me so I had plenty of headroom.

I have never driven either of them so no comment on that part. I have however driven both the M340i and the M3 and there is a very big difference in the way the cars feel, even if one isn't necessarily faster than the other on the street, assuming I don't want to get arrested.

I fitted the carbon fibre trim, the M1, M2 buttons and other M2 details to my G42, and have also sat in the G87.

If the G42 is optioned with the right seats it is a virtually identical interior.

https://youtu.be/z5oONpQsqrw

[XC3LLR8]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

No, the G42 does not have the same factory provided, specifically M tuned parts in any of these areas. I.e. extra bracing at the C pillar. Or the adaptive dampers out of the M3/4.

If it did, it would be an M2.

Please do your research before posting.

They are different folks. Why is the whole G42 crowd so upset about all this?

It's like the fake M badge crowd all over again.

Do my research? How about learning how to write and getting your point across?

You said the G42 did not have those items. You said nothing about those items being M specific or M tuned.

Does the G42 have cooling enhancements (ZTK)? Yes
Does the G42 have adaptive dampers? Yes
Does the G42 have a limited slip diff? Yes
Does the G42 have performance settings? Yes

You literally said none of the above was available on the G42.

[XC3LLR8]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

You are way off...it in no way has the M performance settings the G87 M2 has. The suspension is different, as well (no matter what you may have added).

I never said anything about the G42 having the M performance settings, nor was it ever said that it does.