[Stanim]

I finally gunned it from around 60mph today in sport plus mode and oh man, that felt a lot stronger than in sport mode...I would say also feels quicker than my model 3 performance (except for that very initial hit since no lag on electric). Does that mean sport plus would generate more power than sport, or because it is cooler now?

[EnlightenedOne]

Is there a list of what the differences are between Sport and Sport+ are in general? Why wouldn't we just always use Sport+?

[ScruffMcgruff]

Originally Posted by Stanim

I finally gunned it from around 60mph today in sport plus mode and oh man, that felt a lot stronger than in sport mode...I would say also feels quicker than my model 3 performance (except for that very initial hit since no lag on electric). Does that mean sport plus would generate more power than sport, or because it is cooler now?

I just tried sport + yesterday and it felt like a completly different car. I didn’t hit it hard as I’m just now rolling over 1,200miles but damn that mode is addicting.

[ryo-]

I don't think sport+ changes anything engine wise like tuning, but I do think it increases pedal sensitivity and opens the exhaust valves more.

[Stanim]

Originally Posted by ryo-

I don't think sport+ changes anything engine wise like tuning, but I do think it increases pedal sensitivity and opens the exhaust valves more.

I put pedal to the medal (passed kickdown point) under both sport and sport+, and sport+ feels a lot stronger. Maybe it's cooler temps compared to summer? I'll try sport mode next week to see.

[Stanim]

Originally Posted by ScruffMcgruff

I just tried sport + yesterday and it felt like a completly different car. I didn’t hit it hard as I’m just now rolling over 1,200miles but damn that mode is addicting.

Congrats on finally passing the break-in miles. This car is completely a beast once it is unleashed.

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by Stanim

I put pedal to the medal

metal

[LivingInSalt]

Originally Posted by EnlightenedOne

Is there a list of what the differences are between Sport and Sport+ are in general? Why wouldn't we just always use Sport+?

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[Rdurty2]

The different modes do not affect overall power output.

They change throttle mapping, adaptive suspension, exhaust flap, steering “heaviness”, fake engine sound.

[EnlightenedOne]

Originally Posted by LivingInSalt

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Thanks for the grid... So looks like the main difference is the behavior in manual mode with everything else the same between the two sport modes.

I wonder what the best overall mode is for track/autocross use. Sport Plus in Manual mode? Or Sport so DTC can be off? Or maybe DSC off mode at the bottom? Not sure what drive mode you end up in then... I guess DSC off is considered it's own mode?

[danallxt]

Thanks for the grid... So looks like the main difference is the behavior in manual mode with everything else the same between the two sport modes.

yup, especially the hold at red line...

Also might be a slight error in the table, it shows Launch control available in comfort with DTC, but does not show any launch control under Sport. I am sure i have used it under Sport only as well as Sport+. minor point

Keep in mind that table is for a car that is 9 years old, may (?) have been changes since??

[Evilmoretea]

Originally Posted by danallxt

yup, especially the hold at red line...

Also might be a slight error in the table, it shows Launch control available in comfort with DTC, but does not show any launch control under Sport. I am sure i have used it under Sport only as well as Sport+. minor point

Keep in mind that table is for a car that is 9 years old, may (?) have been changes since??

The grid is not accurate to the M240i. There’s a similar grid for the old M140i and those generation of cars had some weird quirks like DSC off was sort of its own mode and force throttle into comfort. Not the case anymore.
Also Sport + in those cars automatically enabled DTC. Something I wish was still around but it’s all different now.

Would be worth us putting together a grid for the new cars tbh. Will take a bit of experimenting though.

Another thing, "advance mode" is now active from sport and also sport +. That is what disables kick down and hold revline when in manual mode. So please please ignore this grid. Completely irrelevant to our cars.

[Evilmoretea]

Originally Posted by EnlightenedOne

Thanks for the grid... So looks like the main difference is the behavior in manual mode with everything else the same between the two sport modes.

I wonder what the best overall mode is for track/autocross use. Sport Plus in Manual mode? Or Sport so DTC can be off? Or maybe DSC off mode at the bottom? Not sure what drive mode you end up in then... I guess DSC off is considered it's own mode?

Ignore this grid it’s not accurate to the modern cars.

[KevinC]

No difference. Just makes the go pedal more sensitive.

[rad_thundercat]

Here’s what chatgpt kicked out for me when I asked it for a drive mode chart similar to the one above but for a 2022 230i



However when I asked google bard, I got this response :|



These LLMs can be such liars

[Evilmoretea]

Originally Posted by rad_thundercat

Here’s what chatgpt kicked out for me when I asked it for a drive mode chart similar to the one above but for a 2022 230i

Attachment 3309117

However when I asked google bard, I got this response :|

Attachment 3309118

These LLMs can be such liars

Yeah this chart is complete nonsense. You realise chatGPT’s database is only up to date from September 2021 before the cars release.

And even if it was more up to date it doesn’t “know” the answer to everything. It’s data base is just based on scraping the internet and especially forums like this or Reddit and it breaks down whatever we say into a likely response. So if there isn’t any accurate information on the internet in the first place it’s unlikely to provide an accurate response.

On another note I’m planning on making a chart myself when my 2024 M240i arrives in December. Will throw a draft up for the community to give feedback on early next year if someone doesn’t beat me to it.

[rad_thundercat]

They’ve upped the knowledge cutoff into 2023, but it still can’t really figure it out.

I realize it’s just generating its best guess with all the data it scrapes against its artificial neural network, but I find it fascinating and like to experiment with it.

We’re lucky to be here at the very beginning of this, it’s the best time to get in front of it.

I need to watch that full OpenAI conference, but it sounds like the goal is to break up the models into smaller chunks trained on specific datasets.

So it seems once these separate ‘automotive GPTs’ are created, it would kick out much more reliable and up to date info

[Evilmoretea]

Originally Posted by rad_thundercat

They’ve upped the knowledge cutoff into 2023, but it still can’t really figure it out.

I realize it’s just generating its best guess with all the data it scrapes against its artificial neural network, but I find it fascinating and like to experiment with it.

We’re lucky to be here at the very beginning of this, it’s the best time to get in front of it.

I need to watch that full OpenAI conference, but it sounds like the goal is to break up the models into smaller chunks trained on specific datasets.

So it seems once these separate ‘automotive GPTs’ are created, it would kick out much more reliable and up to date info

If you like AI check this out https://hu.ma.ne


Also back to my point on the problem with the chart. ChatGPT literally can’t get the data even with access to up to date info. Because that data isn’t published anywhere or mapped out.

The original charts came from users testing their own products, not compiling data that was publicly available. So once we get a chart together ourselves, then GPT can read it if that makes sense?

Sort of a chicken and egg paradox for this specific use case.

Absolutely excited by it though.

[rad_thundercat]

Try this, I trained a GPT with the 230i owners manual downloaded from BMW

https://chat.openai.com/g/g-HcKhfecA...-manual-expert

[Evilmoretea]

Originally Posted by rad_thundercat

Try this, I trained a GPT with the 230i owners manual downloaded from BMW

https://chat.openai.com/g/g-HcKhfecA...-manual-expert

But the manual doesn’t contain an answer to the question that’s what I’m saying there isn’t any published data on it from OEM

[rad_thundercat]

Hah, yes at first it couldn’t tell me anything. Then after telling it to study certain topics I started getting some answers out of it.

But when it got stubborn about giving info on the windshield wipers I got suspicious. There seems to be a page limit it can read for .pdfs

I wonder if scraping the pdf and giving it raw text would help or if it would still hit a character limit on uploaded docs

*edit, oh yes, I see your point about the comparison chart
**edit2, scraping the text out of the .pdf and uploading it as a .txt for it to analyze worked! It’s giving tons of more info now

[Rdurty2]

Wow did this get off topic.

AI cannot provide the answer. Can we move on from it as it’s just providing incorrect info as this point.