[Tag]

Looks like the new bit of info which zero21 mentioned was coming in the Scottsdale thread is the additional bracing on the G87. That's something I haven't seen mentioned before. They said they added additional bracing on the C-pillars for better suspension compliance and to keep the wheels planted over bumps. They also mentioned an additional plate under the hood, but when asked to explain they didn't answer. Seems like he was answering both questions and got caught up on the C-pillar parts and never got around to talking about the hood. I need to know what that plate under the hood does.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Tag

Looks like the new bit of info which zero21 mentioned was coming in the Scottsdale thread is the additional bracing on the G87. That's something I haven't seen mentioned before. They said they added additional bracing on the C-pillars for better suspension compliance and to keep the wheels planted over bumps. They also mentioned an additional plate under the hood, but when asked to explain they didn't answer. Seems like he was answering both questions and got caught up on the C-pillar parts and never got around to talking about the hood. I need to know what that plate under the hood does.

Yeah exactly what I was thinking. One extra tidbit is they mentioned the behavior of the car is different between the manual and automatic, I'm guessing that drivetrain response and sensation with longer gears?

Months ago I did a thought experiment on how this vehicle would weigh so much and actually asked "where are the ballast boxes"? I think we just heard about 40-50lbs of steel bracing that is added I can live with 20-25kg if it adds significant rigidity.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by zero21

Yeah exactly what I was thinking. One extra tidbit is they mentioned the behavior of the car is different between the manual and automatic, I'm guessing that drivetrain response and sensation with longer gears?

Yes, different gear ratios at the differential.

[diavliyo]

Donde se puede leer ?

[ronin13013]

can someone link?

Originally Posted by diavliyo

Donde se puede leer ?

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by diavliyo

Donde se puede leer ?

Hay una entrevista con BMWBLOG publicada por el OP.

[cmgbk75]

https://youtu.be/rJt9tJUHme4

[diavliyo]

Yo Spain

[M Division]

Originally Posted by Tag

Looks like the new bit of info which zero21 mentioned was coming in the Scottsdale thread is the additional bracing on the G87. That's something I haven't seen mentioned before. They said they added additional bracing on the C-pillars for better suspension compliance and to keep the wheels planted over bumps. They also mentioned an additional plate under the hood, but when asked to explain they didn't answer. Seems like he was answering both questions and got caught up on the C-pillar parts and never got around to talking about the hood. I need to know what that plate under the hood does.

Yes that was news to me, also seems like there is an additional pillar specific to C-pillar of the M2 and wouldn't be found on the G42 or G82. And that the plate reinforces the rear damper to carry load over bumps as you say.

Then there is an additional plate under the hood in addition to the triangular strut brace, that doesn't get discussed in any detail. If that is the case it either hasn't been present in the pre-production cars or can't be seen from the top of the engine bay with the hood open.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by zero21

Yeah exactly what I was thinking. One extra tidbit is they mentioned the behavior of the car is different between the manual and automatic, I'm guessing that drivetrain response and sensation with longer gears?

Months ago I did a thought experiment on how this vehicle would weigh so much and actually asked "where are the ballast boxes"? I think we just heard about 40-50lbs of steel bracing that is added I can live with 20-25kg if it adds significant rigidity.

The more we learn about this the car, the more we don't know.

But if extra bracing is contributing to weight for a stiffer, better performing chassis, bring it on!

[JA-06]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Or scraping the lip and/or destroying the ppf on a parking curb (the sensors on the G42 M240 do not pick up the parking curbs in parking lots). Without the 360 view, you better be good to know how close you are getting.

European’s will be delighted when entering underground parking

[fanofbmwe46]

I think every question as dodged

[ESB]

I wonder what on earth they mean by M2 looking more extroverted than M3/M4.

When it comes to exterior looks I interpret “extroverted” to mean “loud” and M3/M4 look louder to me …

[M Division]

Originally Posted by Tag

I actually thought that was just marketing speak since it's already got driving assistance on the car but doesn't have all the bells and whistles. Nothing but cost cutting IMO. The 360 cameras are not driving nannies, they're primarily used for parking and are especially valuable if you want to avoid curbing your wheels. Especially important if you get expensive forged OEM or aftermarket wheels to replace the cast ones.

My M2 is listed as having;

1. Active Cruise Control with Stop&Go function,
2. Parking Assistant, incl. rear view camera, Parking Assistant with Active Park Distance Control front & rear, Reversing Assistant

That's more enough driving tech for me, I have the 360 cameras on my G42 and the missus X6 and we never use them in either of those. The auto tilt side mirror is all I really need to watch for big curbs and the reverse camera with the green tracking lines work well enough, but I can understand some people might miss the 360.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by M Division

My M2 is listed as having;

1. Active Cruise Control with Stop&Go function,
2. Parking Assistant, incl. rear view camera, Parking Assistant with Active Park Distance Control front & rear, Reversing Assistant

That's more enough driving tech for me, I have the 360 cameras on my G42 and the missus X6 and we never use them in either of those. The auto tilt side mirror is all I really need to watch for big curbs and the reverse camera with the green tracking lines work well enough, but I can understand some people might miss the 360.

How do you see the "curb stops" in parking lots that atr in front of the car? Maybe you don't have them in your area? They are too low for the front sensor to puck them up and activate the front parking warning/camera but high enough to scrape the front lip.

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by Tag

I actually thought that was just marketing speak since it's already got driving assistance on the car but doesn't have all the bells and whistles. Nothing but cost cutting IMO. The 360 cameras are not driving nannies, they're primarily used for parking and are especially valuable if you want to avoid curbing your wheels. Especially important if you get expensive forged OEM or aftermarket wheels to replace the cast ones.

This. That was the only part of the video that didn't sit well with me. He said the M2 doesn't have the bells and whistles that the top end M3s and M4s have but I have a 330i with a 360 camera which has saved me numerous times when navigating through tight spiral ramps in shopping centre parking lots and I don't consider the 330i to be top end by any stretch.

[Tag]

Info on the additional bracing around the C-pillars and under the hood.

"Under the hood, there’s a reinforcement plate under the circled area in the photo below, on both sides of the engine bay. There’s also a the same V-shaped strut tower brace, which meets at the front end, just as there is on the BMW M3 and M4. Both of those structural braces increase stiffness and sharpness in the front end, making the M2 turn in better by removing chassis slop. At the rear, there’s some C-pillar reinforcement as well, which makes its rear end stiffer."



"One of the reasons for the increased rigidity is to allow the suspension to do its job. If the chassis is stiff and there’s no slop, then the dampers can handle the weight of the car on their own, which allows for more driver control. It also means you don’t need super stiff suspension to make the car handle well, so the car can ride better."

BMWBLOG: How BMW Mastered Making the New M2 Stiffer and Sharper

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M Division

My M2 is listed as having;

1. Active Cruise Control with Stop&Go function,
2. Parking Assistant, incl. rear view camera, Parking Assistant with Active Park Distance Control front & rear, Reversing Assistant

That's more enough driving tech for me, I have the 360 cameras on my G42 and the missus X6 and we never use them in either of those. The auto tilt side mirror is all I really need to watch for big curbs and the reverse camera with the green tracking lines work well enough, but I can understand some people might miss the 360.

I park all the time near curbs heading in front first. 360 cameras let me see my surroundings to avoid those curbs. In my previous M2 without 360 cameras I had to roll down my window and stick my head out to if the curb was on the drivers side to see how close I was but if it were on the passenger side I would literally put the car in park and walk around to make sure I was close enough but not going to curb my wheels. Same goes for parking blocks, I'd put the car in park and check. All of that nonsense can be avoided with 360 cameras. It's 2023 not 2003 anymore.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Tag

I park all the time near curbs heading in front first. 360 cameras let me see my surroundings to avoid those curbs. In my previous M2 without 360 cameras I had to roll down my window and stick my head out to if the curb was on the drivers side to see how close I was but if it were on the passenger side I would literally put the car in park and walk around to make sure I was close enough but not going to curb my wheels. Same goes for parking blocks, I'd put the car in park and check. All of that nonsense can be avoided with 360 cameras. It's 2023 not 2003 anymore.

Maybe you guys in dense cities can put some jingle bells an inch or two outside the wheel?

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Tag

Info on the additional bracing around the C-pillars and under the hood.

"Under the hood, there’s a reinforcement plate under the circled area in the photo below, on both sides of the engine bay. There’s also a the same V-shaped strut tower brace, which meets at the front end, just as there is on the BMW M3 and M4. Both of those structural braces increase stiffness and sharpness in the front end, making the M2 turn in better by removing chassis slop. At the rear, there’s some C-pillar reinforcement as well, which makes its rear end stiffer."



"One of the reasons for the increased rigidity is to allow the suspension to do its job. If the chassis is stiff and there’s no slop, then the dampers can handle the weight of the car on their own, which allows for more driver control. It also means you don’t need super stiff suspension to make the car handle well, so the car can ride better."

BMWBLOG: How BMW Mastered Making the New M2 Stiffer and Sharper

I'm curious about all this - Joe said on the initial drive the M2 didn't feel as strong a front end as the M4. He then went on to confirm the outside tire was worn, but still...wouldn't this have been felt if it was that significant? Maybe it was added later as they were pre-prod?

I do wonder how much additional development occurred after those drives...if any.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by zero21

Maybe you guys in dense cities can put some jingle bells an inch or two outside the wheel?

Nothing to do with being in the city. I park at the end of the lot no matter where I go to avoid all the idiots who kick their doors open and put dings in yours. These are the same morons who pay zero attention and backup into cars when reversing and leave their shopping carts in the middle of the lot so the next gust of wind can blow it into your car. I literally was at Mariano's this past weekend and saw a cart get blown into a guys bumper just as he was coming back to his car. My car was at the end of the lot, safe from all the knuckle draggers.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by zero21

I'm curious about all this - Joe said on the initial drive the M2 didn't feel as strong a front end as the M4. He then went on to confirm the outside tire was worn, but still...wouldn't this have been felt if it was that significant? Maybe it was added later as they were pre-prod?

I do wonder how much additional development occurred after those drives...if any.

I'm curious about this as well but there was one thing Joe didn't take into account. There was a ton of pollen on the track that day which I believe was the main reason the front didn't grip as well. We'll find out for sure when the reviews come out.