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      09-01-2007, 05:13 PM   #1
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Installed Procede now getting EML, WTF!?

Just installed Procede, it has the latest V1.47 on it. The car ran fine for the last 3 days, and now all of a sudden, I start the car drive it normally and the EML comes on and puts the car in LIMP. Than I restart the car. It ran fine for 2 hours on and off. Than I came out a a store, start the car again went to drive it and same thing. EML comes on and the car goes into LIMP. I check all the wiring and everything is wired correctly. Whats the problem, and am I doing damage to the car?

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Just installed Procede, it has the latest V1.47 on it. The car ran fine for the last 3 days, and now all of a sudden, I start the car drive it normally and the EML comes on and puts the car in LIMP. Than I restart the car. It ran fine for 2 hours on and off. Than I came out a a store, start the car again went to drive it and same thing. EML comes on and the car goes into LIMP. I check all the wiring and everything is wired correctly. Whats the problem, and am I doing damage to the car?

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Send an e-mail or message (from the Vishnu Web site) to Shiv or Dustin; they'll help you out...something must be wired incorrectly or something with the boost solenoid or there could be a leak in one of the hoses (it's happened before). In the meantime, you may want to download the v1.47 LB map from the Vishnu Web site or PROcede 335i Forum, and see if that helps. And, most of all, don't worry, you'll be getting v2.0 soon, and your engine is fine. In 5 months of having the PROcede, I've only gone into "temporary" limp mode 3 times...it's no big deal.
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Send an e-mail or message (from the Vishnu Web site) to Shiv or Dustin; they'll help you out...something must be wired incorrectly or something with the boost solenoid or there could be a leak in one of the hoses (it's happened before). In the meantime, you may want to download the v1.47 LB map from the Vishnu Web site or PROcede 335i Forum, and see if that helps. And, most of all, don't worry, you'll be getting v2.0 soon, and your engine is fine. In 5 months of having the PROcede, I've only gone into "temporary" limp mode 3 times...it's no big deal.
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Send an e-mail or message (from the Vishnu Web site) to Shiv or Dustin; they'll help you out...something must be wired incorrectly or something with the boost solenoid or there could be a leak in one of the hoses (it's happened before). In the meantime, you may want to download the v1.47 LB map from the Vishnu Web site or PROcede 335i Forum, and see if that helps. And, most of all, don't worry, you'll be getting v2.0 soon, and your engine is fine. In 5 months of having the PROcede, I've only gone into "temporary" limp mode 3 times...it's no big deal.
$45k car + limp mode "only" 3 times + that is OK = insanity!
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$45k car + limp mode "only" 3 times + that is OK = insanity!
Ha ha...very funny dr325i. Didn't bother me...it was no big deal...really. Actually, one time it happened, I didn't even have to pull over and turn the car off/on...it just cleared itself and returned to normal (boost) while cruising on the highway another 3-4 minutes.

Anyway, PROcede v2.0 supposedly eliminates this temporary limp mode thing anyhow, and since many of us should be getting v2.0 installed in ~ 2 weeks, it won't be an issue much longer.

I'm telling you...wait til you go for a ride in a PROcede 335i; you're going to FLIP out!!!!!
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Just installed Procede, it has the latest V1.47 on it. The car ran fine for the last 3 days, and now all of a sudden, I start the car drive it normally and the EML comes on and puts the car in LIMP. Than I restart the car. It ran fine for 2 hours on and off. Than I came out a a store, start the car again went to drive it and same thing. EML comes on and the car goes into LIMP. I check all the wiring and everything is wired correctly. Whats the problem, and am I doing damage to the car?

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A wire is loose. Either that or the PROcede isn't plugged in all the way into the harness. Check your grounds and your 12v power (use the big 50 amp fuse--- not the 10amp) for starters. Then make sure four male/female joints haven't wiggled loose under the tape. The fact that it right fine for a few days would suggest that this is the problem.

I appreciate all the feedback from others, but this has nothing to do with the boost target not being reached code. From what is sounds like, the limp comes on right when he drives the car normally, not necessarily under full boost. If this is the case, this is certainly indicative a bad connection somewhere.

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Shiv: My friend and I, have installed a Procede here in Panama City, Panama. The car is European spec, all the wires are well connected to the ecu and harness. Everything is double and triple checked. The car runs perefectly under normal conditions and hard conditions. However, We finished installing the procede at 4 pm, and already we have got the Limp mode, twice on the highway, when the car is driven really hard for more than 3-5 minutes. Over 180km/h. What can be causing this, also the car has the factory Oil Cooler, and it is not getting overheated. Again, we have gotten Limp mode twice in les than 4 hours. Just driving under heavy load on the highway.
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follow the directions on Post #2 first.
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A wire is loose. Either that or the PROcede isn't plugged in all the way into the harness. Check your grounds and your 12v power (use the big 50 amp fuse--- not the 10amp) for starters. Then make sure four male/female joints haven't wiggled loose under the tape. The fact that it right fine for a few days would suggest that this is the problem.

I appreciate all the feedback from others, but this has nothing to do with the boost target not being reached code. From what is sounds like, the limp comes on right when he drives the car normally, not necessarily under full boost. If this is the case, this is certainly indicative a bad connection somewhere.

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Thanks. Checked all connections and everything was fine.

I bought Hess Gas before this issue started and had a Quarter tank.
I ran the hess gas out completely after having two EML lights at different times. I put in a 1/4 of 100 octane to clean out the tank and lines, and ran that out completely. Than put in half a tank of luke oil and drove the car 120 miles, stop and go and highway. No more EML lights...

Could i have just bought some bad gas? Cause Before the EML came on i did feel both times a slight vibration in the accel pedal and what sounded like knocking under the hood (Missfire maybe?)
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Thanks. Checked all connections and everything was fine.

I bought Hess Gas before this issue started and had a Quarter tank.
I ran the hess gas out completely after having two EML lights at different times. I put in a 1/4 of 100 octane to clean out the tank and lines, and ran that out completely. Than put in half a tank of luke oil and drove the car 120 miles, stop and go and highway. No more EML lights...

Could i have just bought some bad gas? Cause Before the EML came on i did feel both times a slight vibration in the accel pedal and what sounded like knocking under the hood (Missfire maybe?)
You can check it by going to any workshop with the BMW diagnostic computer. Post it back here and Shiv can tell you what happened. But the way you explain it seems really like bad gas. And continued bad gas can lead to your fuel pump failure. I cant stress enough to advise those running higher boost than stock to be on the best gas you can be on.

For example, if u knew you werent reaching ur boost targets, your bmw diagnostic report would show 'intake pressure too low'. Take a look at this link >> http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=80

So if u wanna find out what happened, try to get a computer to read ur fault memory and print it out. And post it back here.
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Ha ha...very funny dr325i. Didn't bother me...it was no big deal...really. Actually, one time it happened, I didn't even have to pull over and turn the car off/on...it just cleared itself and returned to normal (boost) while cruising on the highway another 3-4 minutes.

Anyway, PROcede v2.0 supposedly eliminates this temporary limp mode thing anyhow, and since many of us should be getting v2.0 installed in ~ 2 weeks, it won't be an issue much longer.

I'm telling you...wait til you go for a ride in a PROcede 335i; you're going to FLIP out!!!!!
I don't even want to try it
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Thanks. Checked all connections and everything was fine.

I bought Hess Gas before this issue started and had a Quarter tank.
I ran the hess gas out completely after having two EML lights at different times. I put in a 1/4 of 100 octane to clean out the tank and lines, and ran that out completely. Than put in half a tank of luke oil and drove the car 120 miles, stop and go and highway. No more EML lights...

Could i have just bought some bad gas? Cause Before the EML came on i did feel both times a slight vibration in the accel pedal and what sounded like knocking under the hood (Missfire maybe?)
Yes, it sounds liked you had bad gas. We have never done testing with Mexican gas but I'm guessing that a different rating system is used. You will either have to use a higher octane or run a detuned/lower boost map.

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If it's bad gas, why doesn't he just add some "Beeno" to the tank? Wouldn't that fix it?

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Just use the v1.47LBT map. I use this map and 93 octane gas. This is a bullet-proof combination where I never had any issue with the PROcede. In total I had only 2 limp occurences in 5000 miles. I have driven the car well over 180 kmh a couple of times, no issues at all.
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Just use the v1.47LBT map. I use this map and 93 octane gas. This is a bullet-proof combination where I never had any issue with the PROcede. In total I had only 2 limp occurences in 5000 miles. I have driven the car well over 180 kmh a couple of times, no issues at all.
It really depends on the gas quality over there in Mexico. The octane requirements for v1.47 and v1.47LBT maps are the same because they both run the same boost up to 5000rpm. If what he is running is equivalent to our US spec 89 or 90oct, we would need to address it with a new map. But since BMW recommends at least 91oct (our spec), finding better gas would be the recommended solution.

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^ Hi Shiv,

I should have been more concrete. Both v1.47 and v1.47LBT maps work perfect in my car up to 5000rpm. I got a limp mode @ 6000rpm with v1.47 ( cause has been misfire, 91 octane gas has been used ).

Knowing that I will be able to update to V2 soon I am perfectly fine with the combination I use in the meantime. My car is fast . I will check the spark-plugs in the case my problem would reoccur with PROcede V2.

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will V2 add more poweR or something?
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will V2 add more poweR or something?
Yea, about +40whp... look around for Shiv's thread about v2. Dyno charts there too.
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Just installed Procede, it has the latest V1.47 on it. The car ran fine for the last 3 days, and now all of a sudden, I start the car drive it normally and the EML comes on and puts the car in LIMP. Than I restart the car. It ran fine for 2 hours on and off. Than I came out a a store, start the car again went to drive it and same thing. EML comes on and the car goes into LIMP. I check all the wiring and everything is wired correctly. Whats the problem, and am I doing damage to the car?

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Didn't you post on E46 fanatics claiming that your M beat the 335 with procede hmmm I wonder why,....
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seems like there are lots of folks who have connection issues, maybe vishnu can make a more fool proof harness or interface to make it easier for novices to install
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seems like there are lots of folks who have connection issues, maybe vishnu can make a more fool proof harness or interface to make it easier for novices to install
90% of people don't have any problem. 10% do but they are all easily resolved by re-checking and re-securing. We sized the blade connectors a little small to prevent deformation of the factory female pin from repeated install/removal. The downside is that the end user has to push it all the way (until it gets snug) and then secure the length with tape.

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