Having problems with a fellow E90post member. Kinda long....

335iAWFL · 10-07-2009, 07:30 PM

Well here's the story. I had a set of USED wheels and tires (CSL reps) for sale in this thread:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290393

I had sold them to a member here as described on 09/15/09. First off, he sends me a message to ship them to a different address than what was verified and confirmed on his Paypal acct. I normally dont do that due to issues Ive had in the past. I did a few checks on the guy and asked him a few questions. He goes and tells me this and that and whatever. He shows me a picture ID of his dad to prove that the address is correct and was still adamant about me shipping to a different address. Well I didnt want to give in since every thing seem kinda sketchy. I finally shipped them to the confirmed address on the Paypal payment account. He wasnt happy but to be nice I said I would give him a little bit back for him having to drive to a different place (his parents home) to pick them up.

I had to go out of town on a business trip so he was flipping out that he didnt get a tracking# but they showed up to his doorstep on 09/23/09. He then sends me this PM I will leave the member name out for now.

Hey I got them in today, left the house at like 2pm drove to the house in nj picked them up and drove back. They barely fit in my car had to put the back seats down and put one in the passenger seat. I got home from the trip at around 9pm with them installed. Here are some pics xxxxxxxxx the rims and tires are great and just as you described. If you don't mind i would like that partial refund as you stated before.

So everything is fine and dandy until a few days ago. My wife tells me there is a 1000.00 dispute in Paypal. I was how did I know this was going to happen. So I go and check it and this is what he states.

From Buyer - xxxxxx 10/5/2009 12:17 PDT
Sent me 4 rims from this auction xxxxxxxxxxx in the 2 weeks I had them I have had 8 bent rims and had to replace 2 tires. The tire shop is willing to testify that is impossible for these rims to have been not defective and for this to happen. The owner of the shop told me these are bad rims and the seller pretty much took me for my money. I have lost 5 days of work and over $500 on repairs. I was stranded on the side of a highway over 3 times with a flat and had to wait hours for triple A. Seller pawned of his bad rims on someone else and it was me. I have pictures and receipts to prove the amount of bends and you can speak to the tire shop owner if needed. I will send the rims and tires back they do not have any bends as I just repaired the last one and took them of the car. 2 tires have been replaced so there is over 80% of thread on all of them.

So basically he drove on them for about 2 weeks got into issues with it and now wants a full refund for something he may have done himself. If there was an issue, it would've showed up the day he put them on and drove on them but 2+ weeks after? Now mind you he never communicated with me through email, PM on E90, or anything during this time period.

Today I get this message:

From buyer xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/6/2009 09:58 PDT
Learn to read... I GOT 8 BENT RIMS WHEN YOU GET A BENT RIM AIR LEAKS FROM THE TIRE HENCE THE FLAT. If you want you can call the shop or ask any ny e90 guy who knows what I had to deal with. I never said they were bent when I got them. After I installed them they were fine for all of one day. After that day it was pure fucking hell. Fishy? you are the fucking fishy when first you said a partial refund and then you were gone.... EVERY SINGLE PERSON TOLD ME the rims are a peice of shit. I drive at 80 miles per hour don't hit a pot hole and bend a rim that's not what I paid $1000 for I cant even drive the car. I want my money back and I will send you your rims back because it is impossible for me to drive on them. If you don't want to give me a refund I will escalate to dispute provide paypal with the receipts and pictures of the bent rims. My wife's testimony notarized by our lawyer and the tire shop owners statement notarized by our lawyer. Thats the problem I wasn't hitting anything and getting bent rims and flat tires. What you sold me cost me an extra $500 in up keep and lost me 5 days of work and hours of being stranded. I want my refund or this will not end well at all

So having alot of experience with Paypal, this maybe a lost cause for me since they never side with the seller. Or could I be wrong?

I have quite a bit of the sketchy PM's from him and other messages but this basically sums everything up. Just wanted to see what you guys think.

xquizit · 10-07-2009, 07:35 PM

Sorry, hope things work out.

shift330 · 10-07-2009, 07:50 PM

Paypal won't refund money for defective products. They only refund if the buyer did not recieve the product and since he clearly stated that he did get the wheels, paypal isn't going to take the money back from you. I don't know the specifics or who is/isn't telling the true story but unless things have changed with paypal recently, your money is safe and the buyer is SOL.

Oh and who the F*CK has their lawyer notorize crap? Really? So he drug someone from a tire shop to his lawyers office or vice versa? I call BS on that! And your wife's testimony is worthless in any case. Hell, even my ex-wife and I would lie in a heartbeat to protect/help eachother, so that's useless to anyone with common sense.

Again, idk what the WHOLE truth is but from his PM I have to asume he's a bit of an exagerator, if not a complete BS'er.

Ender514 · 10-07-2009, 07:56 PM

it sounds like he should have told you there was a problem from day one instead of waiting 2 weeks to PM you about it.

Tee-Dub · 10-07-2009, 08:02 PM

By his improper use of english he sounds like a scammer to me. As someone else here said, you aren't going to get a lawyer involved over a $1000 set of wheels/tires, so I call BS on his claims. Lost five days of work for this? Complete BS. Good luck with paypal, I've heard they can be a real pain when there is a dispute.

335iAWFL · 10-07-2009, 08:04 PM

He got them on the Sept 23rd and stated in the PM everything was great and as described and even drove on them.

He never even bothered to PM me to tell me anything, just automatically filed a dispute with Paypal.

And can someone please try to decipher what he keeps saying he has 8 BENT RIMS?

racerfan · 10-07-2009, 08:11 PM

Sounds like a scam...Just be honest with yourself if you are then Karma will work itself out.

shift330 · 10-07-2009, 08:11 PM

Did you ship them to...what is it, Zimbabwe? If he PM'd you and said they were great that amounts to him inspecting them and they were in perfect order. Then ask him how he got a lawyer to notorize anything since that's usually a legal secretary's job, or at least I've never known a lawyer that did that trivial stuff. You should easily win this dispute imo.

335iAWFL · 10-07-2009, 08:20 PM

I just took some more time to try and make out everything this guy is saying. And something really stuck out to me highlighted in red. This guys seems like such a hypocrite with everything he says and makes absolutely no sense.

The wheels were shipped to NJ.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335iAWFL

From buyer xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/6/2009 09:58 PDT
Learn to read... I GOT 8 BENT RIMS WHEN YOU GET A BENT RIM AIR LEAKS FROM THE TIRE HENCE THE FLAT. If you want you can call the shop or ask any ny e90 guy who knows what I had to deal with. I never said they were bent when I got them. After I installed them they were fine for all of one day. After that day it was pure fucking hell. Fishy? you are the fucking fishy when first you said a partial refund and then you were gone.... EVERY SINGLE PERSON TOLD ME the rims are a peice of shit. I drive at 80 miles per hour don't hit a pot hole and bend a rim that's not what I paid $1000 for I cant even drive the car. I want my money back and I will send you your rims back because it is impossible for me to drive on them. If you don't want to give me a refund I will escalate to dispute provide paypal with the receipts and pictures of the bent rims. My wife's testimony notarized by our lawyer and the tire shop owners statement notarized by our lawyer. Thats the problem I wasn't hitting anything and getting bent rims and flat tires. What you sold me cost me an extra $500 in up keep and lost me 5 days of work and hours of being stranded. I want my refund or this will not end well at all

So having alot of experience with Paypal, this maybe a lost cause for me since they never side with the seller. Or could I be wrong?

I have quite a bit of the sketchy PM's from him and other messages but this basically sums everything up. Just wanted to see what you guys think.

EZ_TUR90 · 10-07-2009, 08:22 PM

When he had the rims installed he should have known that the rims were defective as soon as he drove off. He shouldn't have made repairs to rims or replaced the tires. He should have contacted you and notified you of his problem and asked for a refund. Its simple contact paypal and let them know that the rims were sold as is with no return policy. Let them know the rims were in great condition and send them copies of the messages.

EZ_TUR90 · 10-07-2009, 08:28 PM

Also now that he has made repairs to the rims it is unacceptable. Have him send copies of repairs and send the copies to paypal and let them know you will not issue a refund because he has made changes to the product sold.

Ender514 · 10-07-2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335iAWFL

He got them on the Sept 23rd and stated in the PM everything was great and as described and even drove on them.

He never even bothered to PM me to tell me anything, just automatically filed a dispute with Paypal.

And can someone please try to decipher what he keeps saying he has 8 BENT RIMS

i have no idea either.

Geonator · 10-07-2009, 09:37 PM

Hope things turn out well for you.

persian54 · 10-07-2009, 09:47 PM

If the money had already been taken out of your paypal

i would say go and CLOSE your bank account that is linked to it

that way, even if something happens, paypal can't just take money from your account

E92-Lighting · 10-08-2009, 11:36 AM

at least you shipped to his confirmed address, it doesnt seem like you will lose your case

been there, done that numerous times

if he didnt receive the item, thats a different issue.

Kev · 10-08-2009, 11:31 PM

Post this mofo's S/N, please so we can all avoid him

blue2fire · 10-08-2009, 11:52 PM

What an Asshole......

blue2fire · 10-08-2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by persian54

If the money had already been taken out of your paypal

i would say go and CLOSE your bank account that is linked to it

that way, even if something happens, paypal can't just take money from your account

If you close the account, they will give you a negative balance and hire a collection agency (from what i read here on e90p and what makes the most sense).

Kit523 · 10-09-2009, 05:45 AM

Quote:

I never said they were bent when I got them. After I installed them they were fine for all of one day

Quote:

I GOT 8 BENT RIMS WHEN YOU GET A BENT RIM AIR LEAKS FROM THE TIRE HENCE THE FLAT

WTF LOL.....is he tripping?

s1cke92 · 10-09-2009, 06:01 AM

lol that guy does not make sense. i assume hes trying to say you sold him a POS wheels and they bent without hitting a pot hole LMFAO!

i think you'll win the case. post the messages on paypal n let them know. PAYPAL didnt do shit for me. they also gave me an attitude lol. i was hella mad. i gave my bank a call n they gave money back within 2 days. i check my account and i was like shit where this 1k come from haha! and i check paypal n it was negative. so mines no use. gotta get new credit card and checking account. prolly open one with Wells Fargo now?

Bartman619 · 10-09-2009, 11:06 AM

so..the buyer said the rims were not bent after he got them. and he bent them after receiving them and driving around after one day. basically he(the buyer) just admitted that he bent the wheels himself....lol

"I never said they were bent when I got them. After I installed them they were fine for all of one day"....so he bent them during the next couple of days after buying them from you.

dmz · 10-09-2009, 11:38 AM

The buyer confirmed receipient of the undamaged rims. Drove the good rims for a few days, hit a pothole (Who know how big) and damaged the wheels. Now he wants a refund? Forget it. He does not have a case with Paypal or any legal system.

10-07-2009, 07:30 PM	#1
335iAWFL Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 243 Posts Drives: 07 BMW 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Orlando, FL iTrader: (3)	Having problems with a fellow E90post member. Kinda long.... Well here's the story. I had a set of USED wheels and tires (CSL reps) for sale in this thread: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290393 I had sold them to a member here as described on 09/15/09. First off, he sends me a message to ship them to a different address than what was verified and confirmed on his Paypal acct. I normally dont do that due to issues Ive had in the past. I did a few checks on the guy and asked him a few questions. He goes and tells me this and that and whatever. He shows me a picture ID of his dad to prove that the address is correct and was still adamant about me shipping to a different address. Well I didnt want to give in since every thing seem kinda sketchy. I finally shipped them to the confirmed address on the Paypal payment account. He wasnt happy but to be nice I said I would give him a little bit back for him having to drive to a different place (his parents home) to pick them up. I had to go out of town on a business trip so he was flipping out that he didnt get a tracking# but they showed up to his doorstep on 09/23/09. He then sends me this PM I will leave the member name out for now. Hey I got them in today, left the house at like 2pm drove to the house in nj picked them up and drove back. They barely fit in my car had to put the back seats down and put one in the passenger seat. I got home from the trip at around 9pm with them installed. Here are some pics xxxxxxxxx the rims and tires are great and just as you described. If you don't mind i would like that partial refund as you stated before. So everything is fine and dandy until a few days ago. My wife tells me there is a 1000.00 dispute in Paypal. I was how did I know this was going to happen. So I go and check it and this is what he states. From Buyer - xxxxxx 10/5/2009 12:17 PDT Sent me 4 rims from this auction xxxxxxxxxxx in the 2 weeks I had them I have had 8 bent rims and had to replace 2 tires. The tire shop is willing to testify that is impossible for these rims to have been not defective and for this to happen. The owner of the shop told me these are bad rims and the seller pretty much took me for my money. I have lost 5 days of work and over $500 on repairs. I was stranded on the side of a highway over 3 times with a flat and had to wait hours for triple A. Seller pawned of his bad rims on someone else and it was me. I have pictures and receipts to prove the amount of bends and you can speak to the tire shop owner if needed. I will send the rims and tires back they do not have any bends as I just repaired the last one and took them of the car. 2 tires have been replaced so there is over 80% of thread on all of them. So basically he drove on them for about 2 weeks got into issues with it and now wants a full refund for something he may have done himself. If there was an issue, it would've showed up the day he put them on and drove on them but 2+ weeks after? Now mind you he never communicated with me through email, PM on E90, or anything during this time period. Today I get this message: From buyer xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/6/2009 09:58 PDT Learn to read... I GOT 8 BENT RIMS WHEN YOU GET A BENT RIM AIR LEAKS FROM THE TIRE HENCE THE FLAT. If you want you can call the shop or ask any ny e90 guy who knows what I had to deal with. I never said they were bent when I got them. After I installed them they were fine for all of one day. After that day it was pure fucking hell. Fishy? you are the fucking fishy when first you said a partial refund and then you were gone.... EVERY SINGLE PERSON TOLD ME the rims are a peice of shit. I drive at 80 miles per hour don't hit a pot hole and bend a rim that's not what I paid $1000 for I cant even drive the car. I want my money back and I will send you your rims back because it is impossible for me to drive on them. If you don't want to give me a refund I will escalate to dispute provide paypal with the receipts and pictures of the bent rims. My wife's testimony notarized by our lawyer and the tire shop owners statement notarized by our lawyer. Thats the problem I wasn't hitting anything and getting bent rims and flat tires. What you sold me cost me an extra $500 in up keep and lost me 5 days of work and hours of being stranded. I want my refund or this will not end well at all So having alot of experience with Paypal, this maybe a lost cause for me since they never side with the seller. Or could I be wrong? I have quite a bit of the sketchy PM's from him and other messages but this basically sums everything up. Just wanted to see what you guys think. __________________ www.tunerzine.com
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10-07-2009, 07:35 PM	#2
xquizit 818 23 Rep 609 Posts Drives: his parents crazy Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Sorry, hope things work out. __________________ I miss my e90 330i
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10-07-2009, 07:50 PM	#3
shift330 Blue Force Tracker 127 Rep 1,372 Posts Drives: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ iTrader: (6) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	Paypal won't refund money for defective products. They only refund if the buyer did not recieve the product and since he clearly stated that he did get the wheels, paypal isn't going to take the money back from you. I don't know the specifics or who is/isn't telling the true story but unless things have changed with paypal recently, your money is safe and the buyer is SOL. Oh and who the FCK has their lawyer notorize crap? Really? So he drug someone from a tire shop to his lawyers office or vice versa? I call BS on that! And your wife's testimony is worthless in any case. Hell, even my ex-wife and I would lie in a heartbeat to protect/help eachother, so that's useless to anyone with common sense. Again, idk what the WHOLE truth is but from his PM I have to asume he's a bit of an exagerator, if not a complete BS'er. __________________ Stay safe 855th MP Company! Hosmer/Espinoza you're my boys!!*
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10-07-2009, 07:56 PM	#4
Ender514 General 228 Rep 20,998 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 335i Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Philly iTrader: (0)	it sounds like he should have told you there was a problem from day one instead of waiting 2 weeks to PM you about it. __________________ 09' E92 335i \| 6MT \| Montego Blue \| Black Dakota Leather \| Dark Burl Walnut \| Premium \| Sport \| Cold Weather \| Nav \| Sirius \| Comfort Access \| iPod and USB adapter
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10-07-2009, 08:02 PM	#5
Tee-Dub Captain 38 Rep 753 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA iTrader: (9)	By his improper use of english he sounds like a scammer to me. As someone else here said, you aren't going to get a lawyer involved over a $1000 set of wheels/tires, so I call BS on his claims. Lost five days of work for this? Complete BS. Good luck with paypal, I've heard they can be a real pain when there is a dispute.
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10-07-2009, 08:04 PM	#6
335iAWFL Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 243 Posts Drives: 07 BMW 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Orlando, FL iTrader: (3)	He got them on the Sept 23rd and stated in the PM everything was great and as described and even drove on them. He never even bothered to PM me to tell me anything, just automatically filed a dispute with Paypal. And can someone please try to decipher what he keeps saying he has 8 BENT RIMS? __________________ www.tunerzine.com
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10-07-2009, 08:11 PM	#7
racerfan Private First Class 7 Rep 197 Posts Drives: E90 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335 [0.00]	Sounds like a scam...Just be honest with yourself if you are then Karma will work itself out.
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10-07-2009, 08:22 PM	#10
EZ_TUR90 Ez tur90 197 Rep 3,193 Posts Drives: M6 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (11)	When he had the rims installed he should have known that the rims were defective as soon as he drove off. He shouldn't have made repairs to rims or replaced the tires. He should have contacted you and notified you of his problem and asked for a refund. Its simple contact paypal and let them know that the rims were sold as is with no return policy. Let them know the rims were in great condition and send them copies of the messages. __________________
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10-07-2009, 08:28 PM	#11
EZ_TUR90 Ez tur90 197 Rep 3,193 Posts Drives: M6 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (11)	Also now that he has made repairs to the rims it is unacceptable. Have him send copies of repairs and send the copies to paypal and let them know you will not issue a refund because he has made changes to the product sold. __________________
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10-07-2009, 09:37 PM	#13
Geonator Captain 35 Rep 985 Posts Drives: E92 335i JB Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ca 818 iTrader: (8)	Hope things turn out well for you. __________________ 2006 330i E90 Sparkling Graphite- 2007 335i E92 JB ->2008 135i Montego Blue
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10-07-2009, 09:47 PM	#14
persian54 Lieutenant General 970 Rep 15,818 Posts Drives: M760/G83M4 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Valley, SoCal iTrader: (298)	If the money had already been taken out of your paypal i would say go and CLOSE your bank account that is linked to it that way, even if something happens, paypal can't just take money from your account __________________ From E93 335i to E89 Z4 to E93 M3/E89 Z4 to E350/SL550
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10-08-2009, 11:36 AM	#15
E92-Lighting 873 Rep 35,253 Posts Drives: Next Generation LED Lighting Join Date: May 2008 Location: Walnut iTrader: (324)	at least you shipped to his confirmed address, it doesnt seem like you will lose your case been there, done that numerous times if he didnt receive the item, thats a different issue.
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10-08-2009, 11:31 PM	#16
Kev Critical Care Anesthesiologist 488 Rep 8,824 Posts Drives: SMB F83 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (24) Garage List 2009 Porsche 911 Ca ... [9.50]	Post this mofo's S/N, please so we can all avoid him __________________ kev { divinum est sedate dolorem } "your friendly neighborhood critical care anesthesiologist"
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10-09-2009, 06:01 AM	#20
s1cke92 Brigadier General 164 Rep 3,713 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Walnut, CA / Sacramento, CA iTrader: (21)	lol that guy does not make sense. i assume hes trying to say you sold him a POS wheels and they bent without hitting a pot hole LMFAO! i think you'll win the case. post the messages on paypal n let them know. PAYPAL didnt do shit for me. they also gave me an attitude lol. i was hella mad. i gave my bank a call n they gave money back within 2 days. i check my account and i was like shit where this 1k come from haha! and i check paypal n it was negative. so mines no use. gotta get new credit card and checking account. prolly open one with Wells Fargo now?
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10-09-2009, 11:06 AM	#21
Bartman619 Captain 25 Rep 701 Posts Drives: Bimmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SDCA iTrader: (2)	so..the buyer said the rims were not bent after he got them. and he bent them after receiving them and driving around after one day. basically he(the buyer) just admitted that he bent the wheels himself....lol "I never said they were bent when I got them. After I installed them they were fine for all of one day"....so he bent them during the next couple of days after buying them from you.
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10-09-2009, 11:38 AM	#22
dmz Captain 39 Rep 645 Posts Drives: me nuts Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CA iTrader: (2)	The buyer confirmed receipient of the undamaged rims. Drove the good rims for a few days, hit a pothole (Who know how big) and damaged the wheels. Now he wants a refund? Forget it. He does not have a case with Paypal or any legal system.
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