[TakeOne]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Doesn't mean this baby ///M will follow the same path…

They have a m240i for such buyers

M2 will remain pure

While anything is possible, one could then argue, who are the M340 xDrive & M440 xDrive owners for when there is the M3/M4 variants with xDrive? Different clientele. Different market.

[pikkagtr]

BMW needs stop focusing of adding power
Which looks great on paper but doesn't always translate to better driving
They should start to focus on reducing weight
Yea it's nice to have 500 herspers....u til you realize they car is nearly 3800 lbs
Remember when Nissan was putting out GTRs in 2008 and people were complaining how heavy it was and how big it was , but that it hid it's weight well due to trick AWD and computers
Yea that car was also 3840 lbs
I'd rather have a lighter weight M2 CS with ONLY 400 but it weighs less than 3400 lbs

[reward72]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

M2 will remain pure

I don't understand that mentality. What would you lose if the car is made available in both RWD and xDrive? Nobody will force you to buy the xDrive one. But some people like me live in areas with snow on the ground six months of the year and AWD would make the car much more liveable. I currently own an M240i and would upgrade to an M2 in a heart beat if it was available with xDrive. Life is too short to drive a beater in winter months.

[IcewaterPete]

Originally Posted by reward72

I don't understand that mentality. What would you lose if the car is made available in both RWD and xDrive? Nobody will force you to buy the xDrive one. But some people like me live in areas with snow on the ground six months of the year and AWD would make the car much more liveable. I currently own an M240i and would upgrade to an M2 in a heart beat if it was available with xDrive. Life is too short to drive a beater in winter months.

Then just buy and drive an M2 all year. I’ve driven rear wheel vehicles year round my whole life and never gotten stuck. I’ve used chains when needed or just adjusted my throttle application. You don’t need AWD to get through snow. And now with all of the tech on board to assist with wheel slip it’s even easier. What do you think our parents and grandparents did before FWD and AWD?

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by reward72

I don't understand that mentality. What would you lose if the car is made available in both RWD and xDrive? Nobody will force you to buy the xDrive one. But some people like me live in areas with snow on the ground six months of the year and AWD would make the car much more liveable. I currently own an M240i and would upgrade to an M2 in a heart beat if it was available with xDrive. Life is too short to drive a beater in winter months.

It will lose the lovely RWD dynamics

There's something unique and special about the simplicity of a rear wheel drive car

Want all wheel drive buy all wheel drive but I seriously doubt we'll ever see xDrive on the BMW M2

[________]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Then just buy and drive an M2 all year. I’ve driven rear wheel vehicles year round my whole life and never gotten stuck. I’ve used chains when needed or just adjusted my throttle application. You don’t need AWD to get through snow. And now with all of the tech on board to assist with wheel slip it’s even easier. What do you think our parents and grandparents did before FWD and AWD?

They drove slower cars.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by OUGrad05

I'd also think they're going to do a CS

It would be quite a surprise if BMW doesn't make a G87 M2 CS available someday (Dec 2022 - July 2029: enough time).

CS = €ompetition $port (€lub $port was no longer available: see here).

[Tag]

M xDrive is suppose to deliver 100% power to the rear unless there's slip, and even then it's very RWD biased. I'd love to have the added tractions that comes with that, but my one gripe is the added weight. This is already a heavy car, adding ~125lbs, mostly in the front, will make it less nimble IMO.

I'd like to test drive an M3/4 RWD and M3/4c M xDrive back to back. I don't believe I could be swayed away from RWD, but I'm open to at least feeling it out. The other elephant in the room however is if you want MT you can only get that on a RWD M3/4.

TLDR: BMW wants to make sure no one is happy.

[BeemerBaron]

If you think 4wd cars can't have incredible driving dynamics go drive a Porsche 911 4S.

If you think 4wd isn't necessary launch a 911 4S then rwd S.

Point to point in the full range of real world conditions and maximising performance especially when putting down over 450hp to everything except a drag strip 4wd is superior.

Yes a 911 is an outlyer and must 4wd cars paddle in feel to the rwd counterparts. But if anyone can get it cost in execution to Porsche its BMW and the G42 is proof that they're getting there. Feasible to think they could really pull it off with the full fat M2 with xdrive.

Regardless, BMW should give us, the buyer, the enthusiast, the choice to configure a manual rwd ultimate feel "drivers car" or a fully auto xdrive ultimate performance "drivers car" and not cut choice purely to force one segment to buy a pricier 3 or 4 series purely to pick the drivetrain configuration that caters to their specific wants and needs. Hell, I'd pay M3/M4 prices for an M2 in the exacting Spec I wanted anyway purely because I don't need the big back seats, the grill is ass ugly and the 4inch shorter and slightly lighter chassis dynamic of the M2 is in my mind, BMW's current generation ultimate driving machine.

[Game]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Then just buy and drive an M2 all year. I’ve driven rear wheel vehicles year round my whole life and never gotten stuck. I’ve used chains when needed or just adjusted my throttle application. You don’t need AWD to get through snow. And now with all of the tech on board to assist with wheel slip it’s even easier. What do you think our parents and grandparents did before FWD and AWD?

Agreed.

The notion that you need an AWD car for the snow is severely overrated. Snow tires > AWD.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Slingray

If you think 4wd cars can't have incredible driving dynamics go drive a Porsche 911 4S.

If you think 4wd isn't necessary launch a 911 4S then rwd S.

Point to point in the full range of real world conditions and maximising performance especially when putting down over 450hp to everything except a drag strip 4wd is superior.

Yes a 911 is an outlyer and must 4wd cars paddle in feel to the rwd counterparts. But if anyone can get it cost in execution to Porsche its BMW and the G42 is proof that they're getting there. Feasible to think they could really pull it off with the full fat M2 with xdrive.

Regardless, BMW should give us, the buyer, the enthusiast, the choice to configure a manual rwd ultimate feel "drivers car" or a fully auto xdrive ultimate performance "drivers car" and not cut choice purely to force one segment to buy a pricier 3 or 4 series purely to pick the drivetrain configuration that caters to their specific wants and needs. Hell, I'd pay M3/M4 prices for an M2 in the exacting Spec I wanted anyway purely because I don't need the big back seats, the grill is ass ugly and the 4inch shorter and slightly lighter chassis dynamic of the M2 is in my mind, BMW's current generation ultimate driving machine.

It's a business decision

The BMW board of directors is the one who makes the choice regardless of what we might want

[________]

Originally Posted by Game

Agreed.

The notion that you need an AWD car for the snow is severely overrated. Snow tires > AWD.

Even in summer tires an AWD will launch faster than a RWD car with winter tires…

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Even in summer tires an AWD will launch faster than a RWD car with winter tires…

Not sure about that especially if u have awd summer perf vs rwd snow. I had a rwd snow and dropped it off for service and got a awd with all season. Service mgr told me to watch out because it will drive worse than my rwd in snow and he was right. Snows help with turning , stopping and accelerating while awd only helps with accelerating. Just the thought of saying awd launches better in snow sounds odd. No one launches in winter in a snow storm unless ur the one that is in the ditch with the truck drivers who think 4wd will save them.

[khearon23]

Originally Posted by shaneguags

the manual G87 is about to be the manual Supra's worst nightmare

Is anyone actually cross-shopping the Supra with an M2…?

[shaneguags]

Originally Posted by khearon23

Is anyone actually cross-shopping the Supra with an M2…?

I mean maybe for looks and price, but assume no

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Slingray

If you think 4wd cars can't have incredible driving dynamics go drive a Porsche 911 4S.

I would personally have a lot more fun around a track in a manual rwd Carerra S, with traction control off.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Game

Agreed.

The notion that you need an AWD car for the snow is severely overrated. Snow tires > AWD.

Agreed!

There was a snow test done years ago, a small AWD SUV with all seasons vs the same SUV (RWD) with snows. You know which one...RWD with snows. Now take the AWD and put snows on...

[TakeOne]

Guessing no one has gone to google and typed in M2 xDrive and clicked news recently?

[shaneguags]

Originally Posted by TakeOne

Guessing no one has gone to google and typed in M2 xDrive and clicked news recently?

M2 loses all its fun without RWD though

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by shaneguags

M2 loses all its fun without RWD though

Truth‼️

[Game]

Originally Posted by TakeOne

Guessing no one has gone to google and typed in M2 xDrive and clicked news recently?

It's probably the same article posted here 3 weeks ago. The thread is on the second page.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Onesie

They drove slower cars.

Yes, much slower cars, with narrow all seasons or winters.