[adc]

Originally Posted by Slingray

If you think 4wd cars can't have incredible driving dynamics go drive a Porsche 911 4S.

I drove one and thought it was shite. Lost all the special feel of the front axle. Driving dynamics my ass, if it were so great the GT3 would be AWD.

The 911 4S is for people who want a 911 but have no idea how to drive one.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by adc

I drove one and thought it was shite. Lost all the special feel of the front axle. Driving dynamics my ass, if it were so great the GT3 would be AWD.

The 911 4S is for people who want a 911 but have no idea how to drive one.

Absolutely spot on ‼️

[ihbase]

Originally Posted by Autobahn SoCal

Who knows, once I heard the engine / exhaust sound in person it was a joke and laughable.

So, like an M2/3/4...

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by TakeOne

Guessing no one has gone to google and typed in M2 xDrive and clicked news recently?

LOL, they got that info from here. Bimmerpost resident insider here instantly shot it down as a human error. Spend a little more time in G87 section, besides this one thread and you will know 10x more than those rags.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by ihbase

So, like an M2/3/4...

Tf you talkin about, s58 sounds amazing

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Tf you talkin about, s58 sounds amazing

Not as horrific as the s55 but still not great

Both fart like an elephant 💨

[Ratcher]

This is very likely BMW focusing on the homologation of only one engine for next years.
I am personally aware that they've been doing some small changes to some peripherals, perhaps it was cheaper for BMW to focus on the T variant and apply to all.

[Ratcher]

Originally Posted by reward72

I don't understand that mentality. What would you lose if the car is made available in both RWD and xDrive? Nobody will force you to buy the xDrive one. But some people like me live in areas with snow on the ground six months of the year and AWD would make the car much more liveable. I currently own an M240i and would upgrade to an M2 in a heart beat if it was available with xDrive. Life is too short to drive a beater in winter months.

Life is too short to not drive RWD in winter.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by reward72

I don't understand that mentality.

You don’t need AWD to get through snow. And now with all of the tech on board to assist with wheel slip it’s even easier. What do you think our parents and grandparents did before FWD and AWD?

That is so perfectly put - they had "real" road skills back then. Yes, the cars used to have less than 200 horses but they were "raw" and ready

They had to use their "APPtitude" to negotiate road hazards, not APPs like most new cars and even some car operators (because I refuse to call these skill-free folks, drivers)

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Not as horrific as the s55 but still not great

Both fart like an elephant 💨

I always wondered what an elephant's fart would be like!

Now I know. 🤣🤣

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by Ratcher

Life is too short to not drive RWD in winter.

Agreed!

[BeemerBaron]

Originally Posted by adc

I drove one and thought it was shite. Lost all the special feel of the front axle. Driving dynamics my ass, if it were so great the GT3 would be AWD.

The 911 4S is for people who want a 911 but have no idea how to drive one.

Yeah fair play. Don't feel bad though some people can't dance, some people can't drive

[BeemerBaron]

Originally Posted by adc

I drove one and thought it was shite. Lost all the special feel of the front axle. Driving dynamics my ass, if it were so great the GT3 would be AWD.

The 911 4S is for people who want a 911 but have no idea how to drive one.

I did specicfally talk about street performance. If rwd was better the Turbo s would be rwd. The GT cars are track cars, hence the GT badge and hence the rwd. As I said point to point street performance 4wd is clearly unmatched.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Not as horrific as the s55 but still not great

Both fart like an elephant 💨

You have one?

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

You have one?

Not a chance

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by stefan

Comp tune with a manual? Is BMW marketing to people who actually like driving? Could it be??

Doubtful. There's a real risk that the vehicle becomes undrivable. More likely AWD ZF.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

That happens to be the best turbo 4 in the business

I am just sayin

Turbo 4 cylinders were making over 1,000 hp back in the 1970's-80's.

Granted they were race engines.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by adc

I drove one and thought it was shite. Lost all the special feel of the front axle. Driving dynamics my ass, if it were so great the GT3 would be AWD.

The 911 4S is for people who want a 911 but have no idea how to drive one.

The vast majority of M owners have no idea on how to drive their cars either. They just have a lot of money to throw at a car and car mods so they have something to be smug about at Cars-n-Coffee

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Turbo 4 cylinders were making over 1,000 hp back in the 1970's-80's.

Granted they were race engines.

Absolutely

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by IcewaterPete

Then just buy and drive an M2 all year. I’ve driven rear wheel vehicles year round my whole life and never gotten stuck. I’ve used chains when needed or just adjusted my throttle application. You don’t need AWD to get through snow. And now with all of the tech on board to assist with wheel slip it’s even easier. What do you think our parents and grandparents did before FWD and AWD?

They drove fwd and 4wd vehicles because they've been around for almost 100 years.

[Ronin76]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

The vast majority of M owners have no idea on how to drive their cars either. They just have a lot of money to throw at a car and car mods so they have something to be smug about at Cars-n-Coffee

You can throw me into that group except for the money part. I don't have any…if I did though…I would not say no to a 4S.

[OUGrad05]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

The vast majority of M owners have no idea on how to drive their cars either. They just have a lot of money to throw at a car and car mods so they have something to be smug about at Cars-n-Coffee

My experience has been the Porsche Crew is far more likely to track their cars, far more likely to know how to drive appropriately and far LESS likely to drive like a sack of assholes on the street.

I think there are reasons for this. That's not to say there aren't great guys in the local BMW chapter, there are! But there's also some major twat waffles.