[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

They definitely make the upgraded lights without shadowline (see image) although not sure if it's market specific

Another mystery solved!!
I think I'll take shadowline off my build lol.

I plan on getting an aftermarket exhaust anyway so that's a waste for me.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

They definitely make the upgraded lights without shadowline (see image) although not sure if it's market specific

Is that Brooklyn Gray or a photoshop rendition?

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by carjoy

Is that Brooklyn Gray or a photoshop rendition?

Brooklyn gray

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Another mystery solved!!
I think I'll take shadowline off my build lol.

I plan on getting an aftermarket exhaust anyway so that's a waste for me.

Me too, but because I prefer the chrome exhaust tips. The headlights also gain the brow at the top near the hood which I feel breaks-up the front end.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Me too, but because I prefer the chrome exhaust tips. The headlights also gain the brow at the top near the hood which I feel breaks-up the front end.

That's pretty much my exact spec + cognac seats. (TR, Sunroof, Upgraded Lights, shadow-line, regular logos)

[T_U_D]

The chrome exhaust tips on BG look pretty good too. I need to look at my videos from the Performance Center and see if I can find out how the tips are affixed. I wish I had investigated while I was there. It would be great if they were just held on by a bolt on the underside of them.

Update, the exhaust tips do appear to be held in place by a small bolt. See the second photo below that I took at the Performance Center.

[viospeeds]

I hope the Chrome exhaust tips looks similar to this with no bolts (see below upcoming Civic TypeR) vs the exhaust tips in black

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by viospeeds

I hope the Chrome exhaust tips looks similar to this with no bolts (see below upcoming Civic TypeR) vs the exhaust tips in black

I highly suspect that if the black exhaust tips above in post #226 are held in place by a bolt then the chrome ones will be as well. They will be interchangeable. Note, BMW has been known to do this in the past.

[e46e92love]

Either there are a lot more Americans making 350k+ with no kids and cash to burn or there are a lot of people who are financially illiterate.

Either way, 80k for a M2 and not even some harder-core CSL version? G80 suddenly looks like a bargain.

Guess values on used M3s / M4s are about to go thru the roof again….

Cheers,
e46e92

[m20e3087]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Either there are a lot more Americans making 350k+ with no kids and cash to burn or there are a lot of people who are financially illiterate.

Either way, 80k for a M2 and not even some harder-core CSL version? G80 suddenly looks like a bargain.

Guess values on used M3s / M4s are about to go thru the roof again….

Cheers,
e46e92

Welcome to 2022! Not completely disagreeing with you, but your getting a value M3/4. They literally copy and pasted everything that made the M3/4 one of the best handling in decades put it into a smaller size package. I have owned few M's, including E46, and F87. G80 blows them away in terms of feel and balance. F87CS is the best M we can't buy new. For G87 they picked up where they left off with F87CS, so if you don't pick any options it's a bargain of a lifetime. Yes BMW marketing is going crazy with the Fing pkgs, but give it year or two they will separate them hopefully.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Either there are a lot more Americans making 350k+ with no kids and cash to burn or there are a lot of people who are financially illiterate.

Either way, 80k for a M2 and not even some harder-core CSL version? G80 suddenly looks like a bargain.

Guess values on used M3s / M4s are about to go thru the roof again….

Cheers,
e46e92

Not sure what your point is here? The M2 is a fantastic value at $62k, one with decent options but no carbon can be had for $66k. That's directly inline with M2 prices in the past adjusted for inflation. If you check every box you get to ~$77,500. That is not, in fact, $80k. And for a fully loaded M car that has tons of m3/4 parts it's a pretty damn good deal for what you get.

In terms of affordability, the general rule of thumb is not spending more than double your salary on a car, so that's $125-$150k for an M2, depending on options. If it aligns with your priorities you sure as hell don't need to make $350k+ to afford a $65k car.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Either there are a lot more Americans making 350k+ with no kids and cash to burn or there are a lot of people who are financially illiterate.

Either way, 80k for a M2 and not even some harder-core CSL version? G80 suddenly looks like a bargain.

Guess values on used M3s / M4s are about to go thru the roof again….

Cheers,
e46e92

Totally unrelated to the G87, but the amount of money that Americans have been spending for the past two years is truly insane. Eventually the poop will hit the fan and many will end up being default on the autos and homes that they significantly overpaid for to begin with.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Either there are a lot more Americans making 350k+ with no kids and cash to burn or there are a lot of people who are financially illiterate.

Either way, 80k for a M2 and not even some harder-core CSL version? G80 suddenly looks like a bargain.

Guess values on used M3s / M4s are about to go thru the roof again….

Cheers,
e46e92

Assuming someone doesn’t fire off a nuke or whatever, it’ll be 1-2 years before you’ll even be able to walk in a BMW store and walk out with an MSRP build without waiting in line for months.

This car is going to be a grand slam for BMW.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Assuming someone doesn’t fire off a nuke or whatever, it’ll be 1-2 years before you’ll even be able to walk in a BMW store and walk out with an MSRP build without waiting in line for months.

This car is going to be a grand slam for BMW.

Agreed. The waitlist will be long as the entry price is outstanding for what you are getting in return. Furthermore, once the automotive press release their driving impressions from the press test drives I suspect that the wait list will lengthen. I also suspect G87 allocations will be even lower than G42 M240s which are relatively low themselves.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Agreed. The waitlist will be long as the entry price is outstanding for what you are getting in return. Furthermore, once the automotive press release their driving impressions from the press test drives I suspect that the wait list will lengthen. I also suspect G87 allocations will be even lower than G42 M240s which are relatively low themselves.

Wondering if I should put a deposit for an M3 now expecting an 8 month wait
Then when I get my m2 (im #1 at dealer) immediately flip it for 15k and buy the m3

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Agreed. The waitlist will be long as the entry price is outstanding for what you are getting in return. Furthermore, once the automotive press release their driving impressions from the press test drives I suspect that the wait list will lengthen. I also suspect G87 allocations will be even lower than G42 M240s which are relatively low themselves.

We're 6 months away from the first deliveries and production reviews and waitlists are already growing. By Spring, the FOMO and hype will be in full swing.

[bangerman15]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Agreed. The waitlist will be long as the entry price is outstanding for what you are getting in return. Furthermore, once the automotive press release their driving impressions from the press test drives I suspect that the wait list will lengthen. I also suspect G87 allocations will be even lower than G42 M240s which are relatively low themselves.

Don’t say that! I’m 14th in line so I hope there are plenty of allocations to go out 😅

Do you know roughly how many m240i allocations are given at a higher volume dealership by any chance? I’m still trying to get some sort of idea of when I could maybe expect to get my M2

[rcouchh]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

Either there are a lot more Americans making 350k+ with no kids and cash to burn or there are a lot of people who are financially illiterate.

Either way, 80k for a M2 and not even some harder-core CSL version? G80 suddenly looks like a bargain.

Guess values on used M3s / M4s are about to go thru the roof again….

Cheers,
e46e92

If any of us made $350k/yr we'd be doing a lot better than an M2

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by rcouchh

If any of us made $350k/yr we'd be doing a lot better than an M2

Uncertain about that. The M2’s smaller package appeals to a board amount of people. Plus just because you net $350k+ annually does not mean that it is not allocated towards something else like an elaborate home and/or multiple vehicles.

Edit, The vast majority of Americans spend far more than they earn and are typically in excessive debit.

[deneed4spd]

There was a Bloomberg article that stated most millionaires drive a Toyota/Honda. Cars aren't an investment. Each to there own but even if someone made $350k a yr, a house, two cars, retirement savings, and depending on where u live, spending $65-75k on a fun car is tough to manage. Remember at $350k u most likely end up paying 30 percent of that in taxes.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

There was a Bloomberg article that stated most millionaires drive a Toyota/Honda. Cars aren't an investment. Each to there own but even if someone made $350k a yr, a house, two cars, retirement savings, and depending on where u live, spending $65-75k on a fun car is tough to manage. Remember at $350k u most likely end up paying 30 percent of that in taxes.

Average car price in US is over $40k and average salary is like $65k. If you are making $350k, you’re clearing about $20k per month so unless you got bunch of kids - buying M2 should not be difficult.

[e46e92love]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Totally unrelated to the G87, but the amount of money that Americans have been spending for the past two years is truly insane. Eventually the poop will hit the fan and many will end up being default on the autos and homes that they significantly overpaid for to begin with.

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Totally unrelated to the G87, but the amount of money that Americans have been spending for the past two years is truly insane. Eventually the poop will hit the fan and many will end up being default on the autos and homes that they significantly overpaid for to begin with.

Glad to see at least one person on here gets it. People's ideas of financial responsibility blows my mind…..no one who has created true wealth would ever think spending HALF of what their salary is on a car. Insanity. But that mindset keeps the top 1% at the top….

Cheers,
e46e92