[Tag]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The likelihood that the United States will receive three roof options is relatively small.

Truthfully we are fortunate that we are getting two seat choices with three color-ways on the standard M Sport Seat.

Edit, Keep in mind that I would like the steel roof as well, but I honestly do not foresee it happening.

It's really only two roof options, one being without the sunroof. Not like this is a logistics issue, that would make morse sense. All of the M2s are built in SLP and for other regions the sunroof is optional, so it's no different than any other car coming down the assembly line. Some have carbon bucket seats, others don't. Some that are destined for other markets get the cheap seats, for US we get M Sport standard, and so on. The real question is will BMW use the sunroof as a means to push buyers into getting a CF roof? That's more of a marketing/sales tactic than anything.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Tag

It's really only two roof options, one being without the sunroof. Not like this is a logistics issue, that would make morse sense. All of the M2s are built in SLP and for other regions the sunroof is optional, so it's no different than any other car coming down the assembly line. Some have carbon bucket seats, others don't. Some that are destined for other markets get the cheap seats, for US we get M Sport standard, and so on. The real question is will BMW use the sunroof as a means to push buyers into getting a CF roof? That's more of a marketing/sales tactic than anything.

That's exactly what they did but at this juncture, it makes little sense dwelling on it.

Logically, it would be cheaper for them to offer a steel, non-sunroof standard but they didn't because they are aware of the higher demand for slick/carbon fiber top in the US, so they made a calculated decision to force upon the sunroof standard and have all the carbon top buyers subsidized the cost for it all. Genius.

[DrJLag420]

Originally Posted by Poochie

That's exactly what they did but at this juncture, it makes little sense dwelling on it.

Logically, it would be cheaper for them to offer a steel, non-sunroof standard but they didn't because they are aware of the higher demand for the carbon fiber top in the US, so they made a calculated decision to force upon the sunroof standard and have all the carbon top buyers subsidized the cost for it all. Genius.

Looked at my old F87 M2C build. $1,050 for the hole in roof.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by DrJLag420

Looked at my old F87 M2C build. $1,050 for sunroof.

Yet now it is standard in the U.S. with many individuals upset about it. BMW simply cannot please everyone.

[DrJLag420]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Yet now it is standard in the U.S. with many individuals upset about it.

So I guess the CF roof is really $3600. Or there abouts.

If only BMW sold ice cream, then maybe….nawz

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by DrJLag420

Looked at my old F87 M2C build. $1,050 for the hole in roof.

I was willing to pay the $1,050 for the privilege of a 'hole in the roof' also but that wasn't available for the 2016 model year in the US. The LCI M2 and beyond was the first year it became a (at cost) option. #TeamSunroof

My old friend had a convertible E93 M3 and hearing the sonorous exhaust note waling when the top was down just numbed my sense 🤯 The smaller hole in the roof hopefully gives me a slight taste of the glorious feeling..

Side note, the F87 M2 Competition is such a handsome devil.. Its appearance never fails to impress 👍🏻

[JustinHEMI]

I'm warming to the idea of the moonroof, and then having my PPF guy wrap the roof in gloss black around it.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I'm warming to the idea of the moonroof, and then having my PPF guy wrap the roof in gloss black around it.

I had the roof painted black on both my M2 & my A45 & the sunroof is barely noticable on either (see below).
I wrapped them both first to be sure it was the look I wanted, then removed the wrap & had them both painted as paint looks/wears so much better than ANY wrap.
Oh & im a big guy & tracked both cars regularly with no helmet clearance issues (I do have proper seats in my M2 though & never tracked it with the crappy oem seats).

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I'm warming to the idea of the moonroof, and then having my PPF guy wrap the roof in gloss black around it.

I am warming up to the sunroof just to save $2600. I never intend to track it, yet I do suspect at resale that the CF roof will be the roof preferred amongst pre-owned buyers, especially those that are enthusiast.

[86zccrx]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I am warming up to the sunroof just to save $2600. I never intend to track it, yet I do suspect at resale the CF roof will be the roof preferred amongst pre-owned buyers.

Unless you plan on flipping it, get the car optioned for you and not the next owner. Even if the CF roof is more desirable, I doubt you will get the full cost back on resale.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by 86zccrx

Unless you plan on flipping it, get the car optioned for you and not the next owner. Even if the CF roof is more desirable, I doubt you will get the full cost back on resale.

That theory has never worked for me personally when I ordered a vehicle to my specs. Over the last decade I have ordered what I anticipate the next owner will desire and it has benefited me greatly at the time of resale.

[moodyhank82]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

I am warming up to the sunroof just to save $2600. I never intend to track it, yet I do suspect at resale the CF roof will be the roof preferred amongst pre-owned buyers.

What makes you think the CF roof might help the resale? Data on F87 or just observing the reactions on the G87 forum here or something else?

Resale is definitely a consideration for me too and a big reason why I spec my cars lightly so that my potential depreciation hit is smaller. Transaction data, which sets the second hand market value, helps the lightly spec'ed cars since model, mileage, and condition (number of owners and insurance claims) seem to be the determining factors. When trading them in, my lightly spec'ed G05 and G20 benefited from the higher average transaction price driven by the loaded models being listed/sold. CF roof at $2.6k is rather a pricey risk to take on the resale side, at least for a cheapskate like me

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

What makes you think the CF roof might help the resale? Data on F87 or just observing the reactions on the G87 forum here or something else?

Resale is definitely a consideration for me too and a big reason why I spec my cars lightly so that my potential depreciation hit is smaller. Transaction data, which sets the second hand market value, helps the lightly spec'ed cars since model, mileage, and condition (number of owners and insurance claims) seem to be the determining factors. When trading them in, my lightly spec'ed G05 and G20 benefited from the higher average transaction price driven by the loaded models being listed/sold. CF roof at $2.6k is rather a pricey risk to take on the resale side, at least for a cheapskate like me

Dammit .... there you go being logical about it.

You're probably right near term. But it always seems that, particularly in the e46 M3 market, "slicktops" seem to be more desirable.

I'm probably going to go CF and 6MT just to try to keep the weight down. Even though the CF roof only saves 11 lbs over a sunroof, it's weight up top, so it lowers the car's center of gravity a fair amount.

On the other hand...I love the SR in my e36.

Decisions, decisions.

[JustinHEMI]

Personally, I'm not speccing for the next buyer, or keeping miles low for the next buyer.

Considering this is what I will consider the last "great" ICE M car, it'll be my last performance car (currently in my mind anyway). I intend on keeping this for the long term.

I'm not, nor will I become, an EV person.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Personally, I'm not speccing or the next buyer, or keeping miles low for the next buyer.

Considering this is what I will consider the last "great" ICE M car, it'll be my last performance car (currently in my mind anyway). I intend on keeping this for the long term.

I'm not, nor will I become, an EV person.

Good luck with that. Unfortunately the ICE won't be around forever nor the manual, as tech evolves and priorities shift to the environment, we must take the good with the bad.

I think many will come around when they develop cool electric motor sounds, and driving experience is so amped up your balls will tickle your throat and toes your belly button as you go around a street corner at 50 and find 60 in delirious 1.5 seconds. I have no doubt performance EV's will also carve the shit out of your favorite canyon or back roads. Performance is evolving in different directions, we must keep our minds open; for the future may pleasantly surprise.

Yeah, we will all miss the sound of a V8, but I'd rather forego it than have to permanently ware a mask in the coming years because we kept passing the environmental baton to another generation.

I for one am exciting for what's to come.

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by carjoy

Good luck with that. Unfortunately the ICE won't be around forever nor the manual, as tech evolves and priorities shift to the environment, we must take the good with the bad.

I think many will come around when they develop cool electric motor sounds, and driving experience is so amped up your balls will tickle your throat and toes your belly button as you go around a street corner at 50 and find 60 in delirious 1.5 seconds. I have no doubt performance EV's will also carve the shit out of your favorite canyon or back roads. Performance is evolving in different directions, we must keep our minds open; for the future may pleasantly surprise.

Yeah, we will all miss the sound of a V8, but I'd rather forego it than have to permanently ware a mask in the coming years because we kept passing the environmental baton to another generation.

I for one am exciting for what's to come.

Nah, I'm old enough to avoid EVs in the time I have left.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Nah, I'm old enough to avoid EVs in the time I have left.

Likewise.

I intend to eventually order one of the last manual G87 LCIs with individual paint to replace my pre-LCI and hold on to it until my demise.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

What makes you think the CF roof might help the resale? Data on F87 or just observing the reactions on the G87 forum here or something else?

Most valuable E46 M3's are slicktop manuals.

[fanofbmwe46]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Likewise.

I intend to eventually order one of the last manual G87 LCIs with individual paint to replace my pre-LCI and hold on to it until my demise.

Fcking love that plan!

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Most valuable E46 M3's are slicktop manuals.

People also now go apeshit for Laguna Seca Blue or Phoenix Yellow, neither of which were popular when the E46 M3 was new. My guess, ZB will be the same way 20+ years from now.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Personally, I'm not speccing or the next buyer, or keeping miles low for the next buyer.

Considering this is what I will consider the last "great" ICE M car, it'll be my last performance car (currently in my mind anyway). I intend on keeping this for the long term.

I'm not, nor will I become, an EV person.

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Nah, I'm old enough to avoid EVs in the time I have left.

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Likewise.

I intend to eventually order one of the last manual G87 LCIs with individual paint to replace my pre-LCI and hold on to it until my demise.

I see there are many of us thinking the same. I am dreading having to replace my daily driver due to lack of MT options. This M2 will be for nice summer days. I may track it at some point. I might replace it later in the production cycle.

[carjoy]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

Yes, cf roof is standalone option for $2600. Bucket seats are suspected to only be part of the carbon pack but still waiting for confirmation on that.

Awesome 👏