[02M3ForMe]

Where are all these alternate sub-3,500lb 450hp 4-seat sport coupes for $65,000 base or less?

Unless you live at the track perpetually driving 10/10ths and consumables are an important discussion, the weight thing is pure magazine racing BS. Go drive a CLAR M car like a G80 before assuming anything about the G87 drive based on a spec sheet.

[BRAKE!]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Where are all these alternate sub-3,500lb 450hp 4-seat sport coupes for $65,000 base or less?

Unless you live at the track perpetually driving 10/10ths and consumables are an important discussion, the weight thing is pure magazine racing BS. Go drive a CLAR M car like a G80 before assuming anything about the G87 drive based on a spec sheet.

Amen. We get too wrapped up in living in “race car” world that we forget we actually live in the “real world.”

[atl_1M]

Agreed, I bet most ppl wouldn't even be able to gauge the weight from behind the wheel anyway. It is what it is and we have to be happy the option is even there before it's all taken away from us in a few years. As for design, I'm waiting for any final judgement until I see it in the flesh.

[Turkish Pickle]

I find it funny when people post the designer of xyz from yesteryear critiques car designs of today.

Not to invalidate their opinions obviously, but times change, and so does trends. Barchetta on youtube has a wonderful documentary on Chris Bangle and even in those cars you can understand he served his term, did an excellent job, and changed the industry, but also knew when his term was over and moved out of the way. Whether for the good or for the bad that's up to you to decide, personally i think it was for the good. He brought the future with him, and when the present caught up with his idea of future, Hooydonk took over. Excited to see what the next person will bring.

The same person that designed a car ~30 years ago obviously will find today's designs different. Humans get upset when things we know are changed, down to something as simple as taco bell removing menu items.

One general complaint about BMW designs though: those guys NEED to hire better photographers. Back to the G01 facelift, their official release photos are disgusting and makes cars look very ugly. When you go see them in person it's so much better and you get a better understanding of the design language.

I'm excited about this car, minus the colors. Brooklyn is like the only "primer gray" paint that looks ugly, i wouldn't ever own a black car, toronto is too orangey (wish it was melbourne red), and zandvoort might be good or bad depending on how it looks in real life. Never thought I'd settle for a white car but it might become a reality in a few months

[ronin13013]

Originally Posted by Turkish Pickle

I find it funny when people post the designer of xyz from yesteryear critiques car designs of today.

Not to invalidate their opinions obviously, but times change, and so does trends. Barchetta on youtube has a wonderful documentary on Chris Bangle and even in those cars you can understand he served his term, did an excellent job, and changed the industry, but also knew when his term was over and moved out of the way. Whether for the good or for the bad that's up to you to decide, personally i think it was for the good. He brought the future with him, and when the present caught up with his idea of future, Hooydonk took over. Excited to see what the next person will bring.

The same person that designed a car ~30 years ago obviously will find today's designs different. Humans get upset when things we know are changed, down to something as simple as taco bell removing menu items.

One general complaint about BMW designs though: those guys NEED to hire better photographers. Back to the G01 facelift, their official release photos are disgusting and makes cars look very ugly. When you go see them in person it's so much better and you get a better understanding of the design language.

I'm excited about this car, minus the colors. Brooklyn is like the only "primer gray" paint that looks ugly, i wouldn't ever own a black car, toronto is too orangey (wish it was melbourne red), and zandvoort might be good or bad depending on how it looks in real life. Never thought I'd settle for a white car but it might become a reality in a few months

BG is not ugly lol!!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Where are all these alternate sub-3,500lb 450hp 4-seat sport coupes for $65,000 base or less?

Unless you live at the track perpetually driving 10/10ths and consumables are an important discussion, the weight thing is pure magazine racing BS. Go drive a CLAR M car like a G80 before assuming anything about the G87 drive based on a spec sheet.

This made me chuckle because of the hard truth of this post.

[Game]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

BG is not ugly lol!!

Amen. Love me some BG! Would love it more if it were only available on M cars though.

[SocalBM]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Let me guess, the rear brakes are too small

They work, could they look better, yes but they work. Guys wanna talk how it drives and all but focus on the rear caliper size and design..

I didn't say anything about how the brakes look. Fact of the matter is, M brakes haven't always been good compared to other makes. With this car being heavier than expected and the brakes being smaller, it may not brake as well as it should.

Until its tested, we don't know. But, its a legitimate concern, as are the other performance metrics, because of the weight.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by trey100

Those saying looks don't matter is kind of a cop out.

I have a connection with my cars and part of that is looks. If I said otherwise, I'd be lying. I mod all of my cars to personalize them to my liking. Part of that is purely for aesthetics, but you still need the fundamentals of a car that looks good to make it work. You know you have a good looking car when you turn around and look at it after parking and walking away. I think the G87 will look a lot better than all the shitty pics we've seen to date. How it compares to the F87 remains to be seen. But to turn a blind eye to the looks of the car, that I don't get. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by LimeRock

Tell ya what - the rennlist bros are much more stingy with the appreciation button. They're a persnickety bunch. For me, at least, this forum is the best.

I will award you, one half of a Porsche Point.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

BG is not ugly lol!!

And this is exactly why I don't pay any attention to people's opinions on how the G87 looks because that's all it is, THEIR opinion.

And calling BG "ugly" is a laughably bad take but everyone's entitled to an opinion

[Tag]

Porsche vs BMW





BMW wins.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

I didn't say anything about how the brakes look. Fact of the matter is, M brakes haven't always been good compared to other makes. With this car being heavier than expected and the brakes being smaller, it may not brake as well as it should.

Until its tested, we don't know. But, its a legitimate concern, as are the other performance metrics, because of the weight.

What other makes? ….and let's stick to direct competitor vehicles.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

BG is not ugly lol!!

It is not the greatest and I look at it daily.

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by trey100

Those saying looks don't matter is kind of a cop out. Sure, people compromise all the time but the vast majority of people don't want to drive an ugly car. To build a mini M4 with all the right parts and then fall down on styling is a big disappointment. The car will cost the same either way, and you want a car that looks good AND performs well. Doesn't mean they won't buy one anyway of course but that is still a compromise.

I for one had my shopping list down to 2 cars - base RWD 6MT G80 or the M2 so I had high hopes they'd come through. I'm still hopeful that in person the M2 will look good which was the same thing I experienced with the G80.

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[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Turkish Pickle

I find it funny when people post the designer of xyz from yesteryear critiques car designs of today.

Not to invalidate their opinions obviously, but times change, and so does trends. Barchetta on youtube has a wonderful documentary on Chris Bangle and even in those cars you can understand he served his term, did an excellent job, and changed the industry, but also knew when his term was over and moved out of the way. Whether for the good or for the bad that's up to you to decide, personally i think it was for the good. He brought the future with him, and when the present caught up with his idea of future, Hooydonk took over. Excited to see what the next person will bring.

The same person that designed a car ~30 years ago obviously will find today's designs different. Humans get upset when things we know are changed, down to something as simple as taco bell removing menu items.

One general complaint about BMW designs though: those guys NEED to hire better photographers. Back to the G01 facelift, their official release photos are disgusting and makes cars look very ugly. When you go see them in person it's so much better and you get a better understanding of the design language.

I'm excited about this car, minus the colors. Brooklyn is like the only "primer gray" paint that looks ugly, i wouldn't ever own a black car, toronto is too orangey (wish it was melbourne red), and zandvoort might be good or bad depending on how it looks in real life. Never thought I'd settle for a white car but it might become a reality in a few months

Aaah… Sorry,

Plenty of designers, architects and fashion designers who were never “caught up” by the present. That is just nonsense.

Bangle left for different reasons and his design is stil under question mark for many as it was never generally embraced.

There are also a lot of car design that are timeless so, no, you are not right.

I am not really a Porsche fan as I do believe that there is too much reiteration of the same formula, however, is Porsche “caught by the time”? I don’t think so. They manage to keep it good, but they have a timeless template.

Being mediocre at something it doesn’t mean you are modern. You are just MEDIOCRE. Like BMW today.
BMW also inherited in timefew timeless elements, but decided to drop them in the garbage…

A good design always stands the test of time. Always…

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Tag

I have a connection with my cars and part of that is looks. If I said otherwise, I'd be lying. I mod all of my cars to personalize them to my liking. Part of that is purely for aesthetics, but you still need the fundamentals of a car that looks good to make it work. You know you have a good looking car when you turn around and look at it after parking and walking away. I think the G87 will look a lot better than all the shitty pics we've seen to date. How it compares to the F87 remains to be seen. But to turn a blind eye to the looks of the car, that I don't get. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Same feeling here. It needs to represent me and my taste…

[donm527]

Originally Posted by ronin13013

BG is not ugly lol!!

BG is not ugly... but it's not beautiful.

It's just the best "safe/neutral" color out of the choices available. When you don't want "Paint Swirl" Black or Bold Red or Purple but you want a little more character and show a little more detail than White.

Gray is the new Silver... see a version from every brand from a Porsche Taycan to a Toyota Rav4 at your local CostCo parking lot. I was leaning BG for a M240i order but now leaning Portimao Blue.

I wish they went back to a nice bright Metallic Silver personally instead of offering two whites for the M240i.

[rwemersonrw]

My last rant. BMW took the ugliest rendering of the car and said VOILA!!! It could have been this🤷*♂️

[atl_1M]

Originally Posted by rwemersonrw

My last rant. BMW took the ugliest rendering of the car and said VOILA!!! It could have been this🤷*♂️

Imo that's ugly. Just a hodgepodge of design elements of a bunch of different cars thrown together. I personally think if they took the g87 design but gave it dual headlights, a vertical grill, and the g80 style diffuser, it'd be perfect.

[rwemersonrw]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

Imo that's ugly. Just a hodgepodge of design elements of a bunch of different cars thrown together. I personally think if they took the g87 design but gave it dual headlights, a vertical grill, and the g80 style diffuser, it'd be perfect.

I agree that would have been ideal. And while I'm not crazy about that pic what I've seen so far is just so disappointing although this pic isn't "terrible"

[n55f15]

Interesting to find that some want the M2 to look like a 2 gran coupe...