[Fastfwd]

Originally Posted by chris719

Did you even read my posts above or try Google? You can get that BMW oil from several sources in the US. I linked a store in CT that sells it...

The BMW 5W-30 is not LL-01FE, it is only LL01. If you don't care about FE then just get Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 which you can find at any Walmart and satisfies LL01. If you want FE the only options are BMW or Motul. It is not that complicated. Search FCP Euro. The only difference between LL-01 and LL-01FE is the FE is thinner for fuel economy reasons only. TIS approves LL01 for S58 engines. If you don't feel like deviating from your manual, just order the FE.

I apologize. I just presumed it was another European seller. It seemed like when I searched that was all that I was finding.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Fastfwd

I apologize. I just presumed it was another European seller. It seemed like when I searched that was all that I was finding.

No worries, I'm not meaning to be too harsh .

[m2not1LE]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I'll be using liquid moly in mine at the proper weight.

Why that rather what the M2 owner's manual specifies?

Far more to engine oils today than viscosity alone.

Direct injected turbocharged engines require oils with specific detergents and other additives to minimize valve/combustion/injector carbonization and general buildup. Such oils are also more resistant to thermal breakdown, have higher flash points and so on.

Manufactures recommend specific oils accordingly.

I'll note that I'm a mechanical design engineer who among other tasks testing a variety of engine oils for a specific weapons system. The vacation in results were pretty amazing, realizing all tested oils shared the same viscosity ratings.

[Angmar]

Originally Posted by KevM2

Wondering what engine oil and what grade people are thinking of using with their G87. And if anyone has already done or will be doing a blackstone oil analysis please share the results!

I’ve always used Redline 5w30 in my BMWs without any issues and oil analysis reports by others have shown great results. Primarily I like it for its very low NOACK scores. I’m not sure I would be running the recommended 0-30 since it’s a summer driven car.

I’m daily driving my G87 and hitting redline everyday many times and have over 11k miles and piggyback tuned and I run the oil that the dealer puts in it and change it when it says it needs to be changed…. So far including the breakin service at 1200 miles they have changed my oil 4 times under the warranty service.

[vntperformance]

I run Valvoline 0W-20 European formula with a oem filter.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Angmar

I’m daily driving my G87 and hitting redline everyday many times and have over 11k miles and piggyback tuned and I run the oil that the dealer puts in it and change it when it says it needs to be changed…. So far including the breakin service at 1200 miles they have changed my oil 4 times under the warranty service.

Wait, what?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by vntperformance

I run Valvoline 0W-20 European formula with a oem filter.

I would not use that oil. One, it's a 2.7 HTHS 0W-20. Two, it carries no BMW approvals, only "recommendation". Three, it's not even passing API SP engine test requirements and is only SN+ which means it may not pass SP chain wear test. If you are going use an oil that does not carry a BMW approval, there are much better options.

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by m2not1LE

Why that rather what the M2 owner's manual specifies?

Far more to engine oils today than viscosity alone.

Direct injected turbocharged engines require oils with specific detergents and other additives to minimize valve/combustion/injector carbonization and general buildup. Such oils are also more resistant to thermal breakdown, have higher flash points and so on.

Manufactures recommend specific oils accordingly.

I'll note that I'm a mechanical design engineer who among other tasks testing a variety of engine oils for a specific weapons system. The vacation in results were pretty amazing, realizing all tested oils shared the same viscosity ratings.

If he uses liqui-moly and not liquid moly he would be using what's specified in the OM because liqui-moly makes a number of oils that meet BMW's specifications for the S58.

[m2not1LE]

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

If he uses liqui-moly and not liquid moly he would be using what's specified in the OM because liqui-moly makes a number of oils that meet BMW's specifications for the S58.

We don't know what he uses at this point. Any oil is fine as long as it does meet BMWs mrs recent specifications for the specific engine in question.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by chris719

The M1 0w-40 is approved by BMW, it carries LL01. The Porsche people are being influenced by people that seem to have a vested interest in pushing other oils...

As is often the case. I use M1 0w-40 Euro formula in my Callaway supercharged Z06. Samples get sent to Blackstone for analysis after every annual oil change. Reports come back great every time.

[Chet for short]

I do enjoy a good oil chat.

chris719 - great details on oil specs - thanks!

btw - I daylied an N54 135i year 'round in Minnesota for 187k miles using M1 0-40 exclusively (after the free oil changes). Never had any oil related issues- original turbos and all. Good oil, that.

[vntperformance]

Originally Posted by chris719

I would not use that oil. One, it's a 2.7 HTHS 0W-20. Two, it carries no BMW approvals, only "recommendation". Three, it's not even passing API SP engine test requirements and is only SN+ which means it may not pass SP chain wear test. If you are going use an oil that does not carry a BMW approval, there are much better options.

it's approved for LL17 FE+, I don't run the oil longer than 2500 miles due to break in. Show me proof in regards to your comments. I could careless about the "BMW approvals" - recommendations are fine with me as it meets the LL17FE+ requirement.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by vntperformance

it's approved for LL17 FE+, I don't run the oil longer than 2500 miles due to break in. Show me proof in regards to your comments. I could careless about the "BMW approvals" - recommendations are fine with me as it meets the LL17FE+ requirement.

It is not approved for LL17FE+. Period. Recommendations are off label and not approvals. If it was able to pass the tests they would have gotten it approved as some of their other oils are. The package they are using from Infineum or Afton etc is not pre-approved here obviously. Going off label to use a crappy 0W-20 is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. If you had to make an engine related warranty claim BMW would be within their rights to deny your claim since you cannot provide evidence of use of an oil that carries any official approval as outlined by TIS. I would never put my warranty status under question to use some possibly inferior oil. edycol can back this up

[KC87ZB]

Knowing the S58, with turbo's runs somewhere around $40,000 to replace. I just don't get why anyone would use a non approved oil. Makes zero sense.

[vntperformance]

Originally Posted by chris719

It is not approved for LL17FE+. Period. Recommendations are off label and not approvals. If it was able to pass the tests they would have gotten it approved as some of their other oils are. The package they are using from Infineum or Afton etc is not pre-approved here obviously. Going off label to use a crappy 0W-20 is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. If you had to make an engine related warranty claim BMW would be within their rights to deny your claim since you cannot provide evidence of use of an oil that carries any official approval as outlined by TIS. I would never put my warranty status under question to use some possibly inferior oil. edycol can back this up

Where is a list of said approved oils? This just tells me that whoever is paying BMW to be on the list will be "approved". Show me some concrete evidence. Crappy is subjective and NOT factual.

Let me start running BMW Approved fuel too, right? Label says LL17FE+ and you're telling me otherwise.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by vntperformance

Where is a list of said approved oils? This just tells me that whoever is paying BMW to be on the list will be "approved". Show me some concrete evidence. Crappy is subjective and NOT factual.

Let me start running BMW Approved fuel too, right? Label says LL17FE+ and you're telling me otherwise.

Sorry, you're not worth the time to argue with. You can do your own research at BITOG or other resources. Fact is, it's not approved because it uses a VW additive package and Valvoline believes it's "close enough". BMW TIS contains a comprehensive list of all approved oils for all specifications.

[aerobod]

One thing to be clear, LL17FE+ 0w20 approved oils are not suitable for S58 engines, BMW specifies LL01FE 0w30 or LL01 0w40 oils for them.

[KC87ZB]

Originally Posted by aerobod

One thing to be clear, LL17FE+ 0w20 approved oils are not suitable for S58 engines, BMW specifies LL01FE 0w30 or LL01 0w40 oils for them.

Exactly, let's go back to the manual, I think we got too far afield in this. I was going to post similar, which RockCrusher posted early on too.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by vntperformance

Where is a list of said approved oils? This just tells me that whoever is paying BMW to be on the list will be "approved". Show me some concrete evidence. Crappy is subjective and NOT factual.

Let me start running BMW Approved fuel too, right? Label says LL17FE+ and you're telling me otherwise.

You bought BMW, not vehicle made by Valvoline. Do yourself a favor and don’t be a brick, because it will cost you A LOT!
As far as BMW, and any sane person here is concerned, you can run Extra Virgin Olive Oil, preferably from Costco. But, when you VANOS failes or rod bearing, don’t expect BMW to pick up a tab.
Approvals are A THING since 1991. Welcome to this planet.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by aerobod

One thing to be clear, LL17FE+ 0w20 approved oils are not suitable for S58 engines, BMW specifies LL01FE 0w30 or LL01 0w40 oils for them.

BMW requires for warranty purposes LL01FE or LL01. Grade is absolutely irrelevant.

[vntperformance]

Originally Posted by edycol

You bought BMW, not vehicle made by Valvoline. Do yourself a favor and don’t be a brick, because it will cost you A LOT!
As far as BMW, and any sane person here is concerned, you can run Extra Virgin Olive Oil, preferably from Costco. But, when you VANOS failes or rod bearing, don’t expect BMW to pick up a tab.
Approvals are A THING since 1991. Welcome to this planet.

Another useless comment.

[vntperformance]

Originally Posted by chris719

Sorry, you're not worth the time to argue with. You can do your own research at BITOG or other resources. Fact is, it's not approved because it uses a VW additive package and Valvoline believes it's "close enough". BMW TIS contains a comprehensive list of all approved oils for all specifications.

The feelings mutual.