[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by Project_F87

I don't understand the point of this poll if it's been literally confirmed an AWD variant is not coming for the G87...

I think people think BMW will change their minds if the poll results swing in favor of AWD or if someone starts a petition.

[Game]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I think people think BMW will change their minds if the poll results swing in favor of AWD or if someone starts a petition.

LOL yeah and ask the G81 guys how much their petition has accomplished.

[Tag]

I wouldn't write off an xDrive version just yet. All we know is there are no "currently known" plans for xDrive which is a far cry from it's never going to happen. The F87 wasn't suppose to get an S55 engine... and then they gave us the M2C. There wasn't any confirmation of an F87 M2 CS for the longest time and then it suddenly leaked to the surprise of many. This is the last iteration of an ICE M2 and I wouldn't be surprised if BMW decides to throw everything at it throughout its lifecycle.

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

I think people think BMW will change their minds if the poll results swing in favor of AWD or if someone starts a petition.

shoooot... I wish BMW worked like that hahaha

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

I wouldn't write off an xDrive version just yet. All we know is there are no "currently known" plans for xDrive which is a far cry from it's never going to happen. The F87 wasn't suppose to get an S55 engine... and then they gave us the M2C. There wasn't any confirmation of an F87 M2 CS for the longest time and then it suddenly leaked to the surprise of many. This is the last iteration of an ICE M2 and I wouldn't be surprised if BMW decides to throw everything at it throughout its lifecycle.

That decision was forced by emissions, not out of the kindness of their heart.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3WC

That decision was forced by emissions, not out of the kindness of their heart.

That's not entirely accurate. They phased out the OG M2 due to WLTP, otherwise they would have offered both the OG and M2C at the same time.

MR: Why opt for the S55 engine and introduce such a massive change to the key character of the M2?

FvM: During the development of the M2 Competition, we faced a major challenge with regards to the N55 engine due to a number of reasons. First of all, we felt we pushed the engine performance to its limits. 370 horsepower is a great number, but we wanted more. Secondly, we needed changes to meet the new European emissions standards, and so a business decision was made to move to the S55 engine and develop a brand new exhaust system for the M2 Competition which includes the same particulate filter as on the M4.

MR: Would you have kept the base M2 available for sale, if the WLTP would not have played any role in the decision making process?

FvM: Yes, the production of the M2 LCI would not come to an end this summer if the WLTP did not play a role. We would have continued the M2 next to the M2 Competition and both cars would have been built alongside each other at the factory in Leipzig, Germany.

Source: BMW M2 Competition: Interview with the BMW M Boss

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by Project_F87

shoooot... I wish BMW worked like that hahaha

If it did, we wouldn't have the bucktooth grills. As it were, they said they don't care what we think.

[Tag]

Another quote from that article for those that think BMW ignores customers.

MR: In what way did you listen to the existing customer base and included their remarks in this new car?

FvM: We have most definitely taken notice of what the current customer base and community has shared with us. We looked at where we could improve the package for the M2 Competition. The main change following comments was adding the M mirrors. The majority of the customers wondered why they were missing on the base M2 Coupé and therefore we added them. They are the same mirrors used on the M3 and M4 models. Other changes such as the new M Sports seats, M sports brake kit and the tweaked suspension will also be greatly appreciated by the customer base. Especially those would like to have that additional performance, a key asset of the Competition range.

Recommend everyone read the article in its entirety as it's very informative.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

That's not entirely accurate. They phased out the OG M2 due to WLTP, otherwise they would have offered both the OG and M2C at the same time.

Source: BMW M2 Competition: Interview with the BMW M Boss

I don't believe that for a second. If that was the case, nothing was stopping them from using the B58 in base M2 and trying to sell it at $4500 less. He is full of it. There would be no S55 M2 Comp without new WLTP testing procedures. This decision was forced on them.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3WC

I don't believe that for a second. If that was the case, nothing was stopping them from using the B58 in base M2 and trying to sell it at $4500 less. He is full of it. There would be no S55 M2 Comp without new WLTP testing procedures. This decision was forced on them.

I don't believe he's full of anything. Even before he was asked that question he said the following.

​MR: What is the story/idea behind the M2 Competition?

FvM: The main idea behind the M2 Competition is the aim for us as a brand to develop a four-way product line up for BMW M models, the so called; Base, Competition, CS and CSL model hierarchy. This is our aim for the future, and therefore a M2 Competition model was the logical next step in the lineup of the M2.

MR: In what way is the M2 Competition an evolution of something that should perhaps have been there from the beginning?

FvM: The initial M2 was always intended to be like it is now and has been over the past years. The newly developed M2 Competition is based on a large number of ideas we had internally and, was in my opinion a natural development following the success of the base M2 Coupé. The steps we have taken on driving dynamics and performance are in my opinion the right steps and a natural development within the timeline of the model. Although there was never a requirement from within the market to create the M2 Competition.

And true to his word they eventually came out with an M2 CS model to succeed the M2C. The CSL however never materialized, but it didn't for the F80 M3 or F82 M4 either. BMW decided to give the G87 the S58 from the start as a base model. This has already been verified by insiders. Why did they do that? Who knows, maybe because a lot of people were pissed the OG didn't get an M engine or because they couldn't squeeze out enough power from the B58 to differentiate it from the M240i. I don't know, but I do know the S58 has more variants than the S55 with big differences in power, so maybe that's why. All speculation, but I don't think it's fair to base views on conjecture. I read as much as I can, but never conclude with a 100% certainty until there is full disclosure. Until then I determine what is likely and what is less likely with the knowledge I have today and remain open to changing my view when better and more accurate information is made available.

[Tag]

BMWBLOG: New BMW M2: No xDrive all-wheel Drive Planned

According to BMW engineers and executives, there are no plans to offer the G87 BMW M2 with an all-wheel drive configuration. That applies to both the launch model in 2023 and subsequent models until the end of M2’s lifecycle.

[Bumpinjeep]

How come FWD CVT isn't an option in this poll?
Since we're making up options, I choose a FWD M2 Competition X-Klaw, with studded BFG Mud Terrains in the front and R888s in the back. The car will have a half cage, but only on the right side of the interior and a panoramic roof. Mine will have piano black interior trim that's actually a piano that I can play in traffic.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Tag

BMWBLOG: New BMW M2: No xDrive all-wheel Drive Planned

Apparently it's due to the weight. LOL. Irony.

BS excuse.

Didn't concern them for the M240i, M340i, M440i, M340d, M440d, M3, M4, M550i, M5, M850i, M8, XM, X3 M40i, X3 M40d, X3M, X4 M40i, X4 M40d, X4M. X5 M50d, X5M, X6 M50d, X6M...........

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by as7920

Apparently it's due to the weight. LOL. Irony.

BS excuse.

Didn't concern them for the M240i, M340i, M440i, M340d, M440d, M3, M4, M550i, M5, M850i, M8, XM, X3 M40i, X3 M40d, X3M, X4 M40i, X4 M40d, X4M. X5 M50d, X5M, X6 M50d, X6M...........

Those cars you quoted do not carry the torch of the most fun to drive car for BMW. The ethos of the E30 M3 was passed onto the E36 M3, E46 M3, 1M, F87 M2 and now the G87 M2. The E92 M3, F82 M4 were never regarded as the most fun to drive car in their series due to the sheer size and weight

[Germanauto]

Irrelevant to the M2 obviously. But call me a a-hole, AWD is only acceptable on the M3 if you live in a snowy/rainy climate. Otherwise AWD is heresy.

[Project_F87]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

How come FWD CVT isn't an option in this poll?
Since we're making up options, I choose a FWD M2 Competition X-Klaw, with studded BFG Mud Terrains in the front and R888s in the back. The car will have a half cage, but only on the right side of the interior and a panoramic roof. Mine will have piano black interior trim that's actually a piano that I can play in traffic.

lmaooooooo

[samtnel]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Those cars you quoted do not carry the torch of the most fun to drive car for BMW. The ethos of the E30 M3 was passed onto the E36 M3, E46 M3, 1M, F87 M2 and now the G87 M2. The E92 M3, F82 M4 were never regarded as the most fun to drive car in their series due to the sheer size and weight

When was the F87 light? It was 25 pounds lighter than the F82 in manual spec. It's a brick.

[Hendo741]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Irrelevant to the M2 obviously. But call me a a-hole, AWD is only acceptable on the M3 if you live in a snowy/rainy climate. Otherwise AWD is heresy.

You do realize the xdrive version is proven to be faster. Both in a straight line and around a circuit. I think willfully wanting cars to slower is heresy.

BMW has done a fantastic job engineering it's xdrive while taking driving dynamics into consideration. They are primarily RWD and allow you to hang out the rear as much as you want. Hell, M xdrive allows you to disengage the front completely if you so choose. The only penalty to having the system is a measly 100 lbs give or take which wouldn't be noticeable one way or another in the 3600+ lb arena.

No reason not to offer it other than pandering to the outdated and archaic thinking of fanbois who scream that the only option should be rWd MaNuAl...

I would trade my G82 for a G87, but only if xdrive were an option.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Hendo741

You do realize the xdrive version is proven to be faster. Both in a straight line and around a circuit. I think willfully wanting cars to slower is heresy.

BMW has done a fantastic job engineering it's xdrive while taking driving dynamics into consideration. They are primarily RWD and allow you to hang out the rear as much as you want. Hell, M xdrive allows you to disengage the front completely if you so choose. The only penalty to having the system is a measly 100 lbs give or take which wouldn't be noticeable one way or another in the 3600+ lb arena.

No reason not to offer it other than pandering to the outdated and archaic thinking of fanbois who scream that the only option should be rWd MaNuAl...

I would trade my G82 for a G87, but only if xdrive were an option.

I understand your perspective, but I'm still in the RWD camp.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by samtnel

When was the F87 light? It was 25 pounds lighter than the F82 in manual spec. It's a brick.

For the price and using that chassis, that's the best they can do at the time...name me an M car that is lighter from that period

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Hendo741

You do realize the xdrive version is proven to be faster. Both in a straight line and around a circuit. I think willfully wanting cars to slower is heresy.

BMW has done a fantastic job engineering it's xdrive while taking driving dynamics into consideration. They are primarily RWD and allow you to hang out the rear as much as you want. Hell, M xdrive allows you to disengage the front completely if you so choose. The only penalty to having the system is a measly 100 lbs give or take which wouldn't be noticeable one way or another in the 3600+ lb arena.

No reason not to offer it other than pandering to the outdated and archaic thinking of fanbois who scream that the only option should be rWd MaNuAl...

I would trade my G82 for a G87, but only if xdrive were an option.

RWD 6MT vs AT

It's not Fanboyish to like RWD because it is fun...adding 55Kg onto the chassis is damn stupid in my eyes if I am never ever going to use the xDrive

[Tag]

BMWBLOG: Pros and Cons to a BMW M2 xDrive—Should BMW M’s Smallest Car Get All-Wheel Drive?