[Tag]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Damn, I'm unfortunately out the BMW game if a G87 M2 is going to start at over 65k..🥲

I guess it's not meant to be and instead a 400 Z or manual Supra is in the stars for me..

If this is indeed the case, BMW obviously forget (or no longer cares) why the M2 was so inherently popular and the original core demographic it was suppose to be targeted to.. #Sad

The whole thing sucks and it's going to push a lot of people away. The M4 is going up $3,700 for the next MY so that's obviously going to increase the price of the G87. I guess we'll have to wait and see to know for sure.

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by Tag

The whole thing sucks and it's going to push a lot of people away. The M4 is going up $3,700 for the next MY so that's obviously going to increase the price of the G87. I guess we'll have to wait and see to know for sure.

Yep. It's wait and see I guess…I'm loving my og m2…I know it's said a lot but it really does put a huge f'n grin on my face every time I hop in. The G87 (I'm supposedly #1 on the list at my dealer) has some big shoes to fill as it is…pricing could ultimately tip the scales for me.

[sk8funk]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Meh, maybe I'm the only one on the planet, but I have 0 interest in Porche. Incredible machines as they are, BMW M just does something for me.

exactly the same. absolutely no interest in Porsche, never had. From dad to myself and the twin, we only like BMW's and if we didn't like then we won't bitch about them, we just move on to something else.

[tracer bullet]

Wow did this go off topic. Not unexpectedly.

A lot of us got into BMW's a long time ago because they were fun cars. Smaller, lighter, better handling, driver focused, had a feel to them other brands didn't provide. Didn't give a flying F about the logo on it, just that it brought a smile to your face. Costs were high-ish but worth it.

Bigger, heavier, more expensive, number technological masterpieces put good numbers on paper and still sell well because of the brand name, but it's not what everyone is looking for. BMW flat out admitted their steering feedback is numb because they wanted it that way. For some, the best driver's BMW for sale right now is the Supra.

If you want that stuff, power to ya, consider yourself lucky.

But FFS, we should all be complaining about that video. With a Tesla in it. WTF BMW? One of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Meh, maybe I'm the only one on the planet, but I have 0 interest in Porche. Incredible machines as they are, BMW M just does something for me.

That was me up until the fall of 2008 when I test drove the recently launched 2009 997.2. It was game over after that as I wanted a 911 ever since.

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

I think Porsches are great but they're not for everyone. I personally know several people who have made "the leap" from M to P (M2/M2C to cayman gts, gt4, 997) and have come back to BMW after a year or two. When I asked some of them why, the responses I got were along the lines of: "Porsches are too serious, BMWs are more light hearted" or "I rarely drove it because nothing fit in it", or "that car was too stiff and I wanted something softer for a daily driver".

Porsche’s sport cars are definitely better suited as a 2nd, 3rd, 4th car and not as a daily driver.

[Spiffx]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Right on 🙌

It's perplexing and tedious that folks here, ad nauseam, compares a mid-tier BMW to any model of Porsches.

If anyone, including myself, who has the means to comfortable opt for an equivalent spec Porsche, wouldn't even sneeze at a BMW and that's not taking anything away from BMW as an automotive brand in general, just a sobering fact of life.

It reminds me of the time I could of afforded a mansion on the hills but instead opted for a 12X9 roach motel in Alphabet City - 'cause you know, loyalty or whatever 🙄

Porsche and BMW is not on the same playing field, they are completely different caliber of vehicles, as Porsche is a vehicle you aspire to from a BMW, not one replace it with. So these folks making such outlandish comparisons need to stay in their lane..

Watch this:

And then let's start over this conversation.

EDIT: After watching this video, I decided to have both. A BMW M4 Competition xDrive Coupe as my daily driver, and a 911 GTS for "fun".

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by atl_1M

BMW marketing is so dumb that they probably didn't think we'd look that hard into it. I bet wherever they shot this video they didn't have the new car so they improvised. Ridiculous

What I gained from that video: Girl was hot. The end.

[kozzi]

[Spiffx]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

That was me up until the fall of 2008 when I test drove the recently launched 2009 997.2. It was game over after that as I wanted a 911 ever since.

Porsche's sport cars are definitely better suited as a 2nd, 3rd, 4th car and not as a daily driver.

I could easily see myself on my 911 as daily driver. The base 911, the Carrera S, and the Turbo models are all quite comfortable. Things get hairy for people desperate to get on a GT3. That's definitely not a daily driver.

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

That was me up until the fall of 2008 when I test drove the recently launched 2009 997.2. It was game over after that as I wanted a 911 ever since.



Porsche’s sport cars are definitely better suited as a 2nd, 3rd, 4th car and not as a daily driver.

Well, maybe it's that I have never driven one. I'll avoid it to dispel future regret.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Damn, I'm unfortunately out the BMW game if a G87 M2 is going to start at over 65k..🥲

I guess it's not meant to be and instead a 400 Z or manual Supra is in the stars for me..

If this is indeed the case, BMW obviously forget (or no longer cares) why the M2 was so inherently popular and the original core demographic it was suppose to be targeted to.. #Sad


https://www.forbes.com/sites/markewi...laus-frohlich/

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Inflation and Demand for M cars like the M2 make a price increase necessary for the M2. Why would any business willfully leave profit on the table? Businesses exist to make money and maximize shareholder value.

Just take more time and save more dollars for a reasonable downpayment and you could eventually get into a new M2. Start small by saving a little extra dollars each month.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Inflation and Demand for M cars like the M2 make a price increase necessary for the M2. Why would any business willfully leave profit on the table? Businesses exist to make money and maximize shareholder value.

Just take more time and save more dollars for a reasonable downpayment and you could eventually get into a new M2. Start small by saving a little extra dollars each month.

Your comments are sad but true. I would price the new M2 base at close to $70K myself and would probably sell out all of them the initial years. Every sporty car from M2’s, to 911’s, Lambo’s, and Ferraris are harder to purchase due to price increases and allocation shortages. The future manual Supra will probably be hard to get. I would not expect to see the manual Supra on the car lot for a test drive.

However, boring and miserable SUVs like my wife drives for our daughter are always plentiful.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Inflation and Demand for M cars like the M2 make a price increase necessary for the M2. Why would any business willfully leave profit on the table? Businesses exist to make money and maximize shareholder value.

Just take more time and save more dollars for a reasonable downpayment and you could eventually get into a new M2. Start small by saving a little extra dollars each month.

Inflation is a thing but BMW is assembling the M2 in Mexico, so that "Made in Mexico" endorsement allows them to take advantage of the free trade agreement the US has with Mexico (NAFTA), saving them like 10% per vehicle than before when it was imported from Leipzig, not to mention the lower labor rates.

If BMW increase the price of the car, while still saving money on import cost, they are being some greedy fvcks. So, I don't have any mercy for them if they want to overcharge for the vehicle and cut corners.

Maybe I'll change my mind when I see everything in totality but if the headlines now is 65k+ for an M2, that's currently a hard pass for me.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Inflation is a thing but BMW is assembling the M2 in Mexico, so that "Made in Mexico" endorsement allows them to take advantage of the free trade agreement the US has with Mexico (NAFTA), saving them like 10% per vehicle than before when it was imported from Leipzig, not to mention the lower labor rates.

If BMW increase the price of the car, while still saving money on import cost, they are being some greedy fvcks. So, I don't have any mercy for them if they want to overcharge for the vehicle and cut corners.

Maybe I'll change my mind when I see everything in totality but if the headlines now is 65k+ for an M2, that's currently a hard pass for me.

Yeah I think you got it. They are increasing profit both ends of the spectrum: by raising the price because demand is high and by decreasing their production costs. Hope to see you in a M2 in the years to come.

[soflacarguy]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Maybe I'll change my mind when I see everything in totality but if the headlines now is 65k+ for an M2, that's currently a hard pass for me.

A fully optioned MY22 m240xi rings up at ~60k. MY23’s price increase will likely bump that up to at least 62-63k.

The MY23 M2, even at base, will likely come standard with many of those options. I think we’re lucky if the price starts at 65k, Im expecting it to start closer to 70k and be capable of reaching 80k+ fully optioned.

Hope Im wrong.

[Spiffx]

It's called capitalism. Price is set by supply and demand. Haynes and his invisible hand…

As long as there are people who pay what they want charge, cars will sell. Price has nothing to do with cost.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by soflacarguy

A fully optioned MY22 m240xi rings up at ~60k. MY23's price increase will likely bump that up to at least 62-63k.

The MY23 M2, even at base, will likely come standard with many of those options. I think we're lucky if the price starts at 65k, Im expecting it to start closer to 70k and be capable of reaching 80k+ fully optioned.

Hope Im wrong.

You see, I think they'll do the opposite; they might à la carte every single good option, where if you want it for under 65k, then the base model is going to come with a manual wind-up window crank and 8-track tape player and it would cost extra if you want the good stuff like power windows and a MP3..

[DarkstarZero]

This is shaping up to be the e36 to the F87's e30.

[soflacarguy]

Originally Posted by Poochie

You see, I think they'll do the opposite; they might à la carte every single good option, where if you want it for under 65k, then the base model is going to come with a manual wind-up window crank and 8-track tape player and it would cost extra if you want the good stuff like power windows and a MP3..

Hmm a decent theory indeed, albeit that wouldn’t vibe with IDrive 8 being a mandatory feature of the base vehicle….”MyBmw, please wind up the windows”

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by soflacarguy

Hmm a decent theory indeed, albeit that wouldn't vibe with IDrive 8 being a mandatory feature of the base vehicle…."MyBmw, please wind up the windows"

Customer: "MyBMW, wind down my windows"

MyBMW: "Wind that shit down yourself, you cheap bitch"

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by M3macster

Whatever that means. You said $100k for a grill you don't like. That's Porsche territory for a 718 at least anyway. Best of luck to your rarified enthusiast-ism!

You are not an enthusiast.

[soflacarguy]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Customer: "MyBMW, wind down my windows"

MyBMW: "Wind that shit down yourself, you cheap bitch"

Lmaoooo

All joking aside, MY22 m340 base price is 55k, and MY22 m3 base price is 70k. I know it’s not apples to apples but some of the features that are standard on m3 (and not on m340) are the merino leather (vs free sensatec or upgraded vernasca), Go Love cockpit, convenience and premium packages.

If they stick with this formula we’re looking at an MY23 m2 base price of at least 65k. Im picturing something like “starting at 64,100” anyway.

These numbers are all before factoring in destination charges.