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      05-09-2022, 08:05 PM   #23
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Unfortunately it won't get the Michelin Pilot Sport 5S. BMW starts working with tire manufacturers soon after the start of a project and all throughout driving and track testing to refine them. Since the MPS5S wasn't available at the start of the project the G87 will not get them. You can look at the F87 as an example, it came with MPSS and that was the official OE tire throughout the life of the car, including the Competition model.

I know it sucks, but the MPS4S is still a great tire... if you get them, lol.
The rears will probably only last 12-15k miles anyways… move to the PS5S then. Obviously ditch the factory fronts at the same time.
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Unfortunately it won't get the Michelin Pilot Sport 5S. BMW starts working with tire manufacturers soon after the start of a project and all throughout driving and track testing to refine them. Since the MPS5S wasn't available at the start of the project the G87 will not get them. You can look at the F87 as an example, it came with MPSS and that was the official OE tire throughout the life of the car, including the Competition model.

I know it sucks, but the MPS4S is still a great tire... if you get them, lol.
Disappointing but that makes sense. The latest spy shots look like PS4's which I think we'd all be happy with.
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Me as well, but I might be okay with Conti's. FYI, The MPS5S is allegedly coming this November.
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I hope the car comes with some MPS5! They should definitely be out by then.
Unfortunately it won't get the Michelin Pilot Sport 5S. BMW starts working with tire manufacturers soon after the start of a project and all throughout driving and track testing to refine them. Since the MPS5S wasn't available at the start of the project the G87 will not get them. You can look at the F87 as an example, it came with MPSS and that was the official OE tire throughout the life of the car, including the Competition model.

I know it sucks, but the MPS4S is still a great tire... if you get them, lol.
From what I gather, it doesn't seem like much of a change.. MPS4S is fine and the rear tires wear out quick anyways..

I'm Mr. Play It Safe, I replace tires before they hit half the wear bars.. On a powerful RWD vehicle with known snap oversteer, it's cheap insurance.

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Nothing special about those Michelins unless one is looking for comfort...the 5S is probably more about 'green' than performance anyway lol

The old Yokohama Advan AD08R has more dry grip (wet grip over standing water is not as good I admit) than the 4S and now the AD09 is out and has even more dry and wet grip (especially wet)

The street legal Advan A052 has tons more dry grip than the 4S/5S/6S.....whatever they called it

The Bridgestone Potenza RE71RS will now be sold in the US so even more performance tyre selection for the M2 to go with
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The latest spy shots look like PS4's which I think we'd all be happy with.

Until you try the Cup2
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Looks like you can spec the G87 with copper colored wheels, now that's cool.

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These are M Performance wheels on the G80/2/3 currently as you all probably know, but maybe standard on the M2.

Very nice regardless.
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Is there any reasonable explanation for the floating calipers…other than cost? Shocked it's on a modern m car. And as for cost…give me a break! Like how much are they saving? And again..it's an m car..would ppl walk away from one because it's $xx more without them? Such a joke. And now talk of Yokohama?.. who comes up with this shit..

*sorry poochie. Couldn't resist. Aside from the apprehension I have for the rear look of the car (tbd), those calipers have been my biggest gripe thus far.
The explanation is really simple. The decision to go with an electric parking brake forced this choice. That is the only caliper BMW makes which incorporates an e-brake function, simple as that.

Exotic high end cars which have electric parking brakes have used other solutions, like an additional mini-caliper on the rear wheel just for that function only. I don’t know that there is any fixed-caliper design out there with an incorporated electric parking brake.
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Other than looks, can someone explain to me the objections over the floating rear calipers?

They are ghastly, I get that.
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FYI, The PS5 is already out unlike the PS5S. There is a difference just as there is from the less expensive PS4 vs PS4S.

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Do we finally know when the official press release of the new M2 is?
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Do we finally know when the official press release of the new M2 is?
No.

I'm sure we'll see leaks this summer. I'd guess the official release would be late summer/early fall.
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From what I gather, it doesn't seem like much of a change.. MPS4S is fine and the rear tires wear out quick anyways..

I'm Mr. Play It Safe, I replace tires before they hit half the wear bars.. On a powerful RWD vehicle with known snap oversteer, it's cheap insurance.

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Comparing any of the Michelin standard range tires with the OE they develop with BMW can be misleading. The BMW one is quite a different thing altogether:
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This is looking hotter and hotter with every leak. I already know what spec I'll get: voodoo blue, bronze wheels, all the carbon M Performance parts I can, everything else in black.
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Other than looks, can someone explain to me the objections over the floating rear calipers?

They are ghastly, I get that.
I have read 0 complaints and really nothing but praise for the M3/M4 brakes which also have the floating caliper. So it's just a vanity thing.

Yes, ultimately a multi piston fixed caliper can generate more brake force in theory but from what I can tell the bmw floating caliper design can deliver the brake force that is actually needed for these cars performance

What bmw should have done is add a cover that makes it look like a giant fixed caliper…
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I have read 0 complaints and really nothing but praise for the M3/M4 brakes which also have the floating caliper. So it's just a vanity thing.

Yes, ultimately a multi piston fixed caliper can generate more brake force in theory but from what I can tell the bmw floating caliper design can deliver the brake force that is actually needed for these cars performance

What bmw should have done is add a cover that makes it look like a giant fixed caliper…
80% of the braking is done by the front wheels so the rear brakes can be smaller. Keep in mind that brakes are unsprung weight, so if you can save a few lbs there, why not?
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No.

I'm sure we'll see leaks this summer. I'd guess the official release would be late summer/early fall.
Yep, this…


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Comparing any of the Michelin standard range tires with the OE they develop with BMW can be misleading. The BMW one is quite a different thing altogether:
It is not just BMW that does this as Porsche, Mercedes, and etc work with various tire manufactures in regards to their own preferences for OE tires.


FYI, BMW owns a stake in Continental.

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I have read 0 complaints and really nothing but praise for the M3/M4 brakes which also have the floating caliper. So it's just a vanity thing.

Yes, ultimately a multi piston fixed caliper can generate more brake force in theory but from what I can tell the bmw floating caliper design can deliver the brake force that is actually needed for these cars performance

What bmw should have done is add a cover that makes it look like a giant fixed caliper…
Then you'd have guys complaining about fake calipers. Can't please them all!
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Nowdays when bmw releases new car problem is to position it up on the ugly line. This however will def be the best looking bmw you can buy.
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Nice!

But someone should tell the guys in the factory to stop putting X3M suspension on M2s, M3s and M4s
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