[stefan]

Originally Posted by giolanzarin

Probably not. These "real m" fanboys would say something like "sure it's faster and better in almost every way to my 2018 M2 but I have an "M" badge on my car and less weight. So I hate the new 240".

on the flip side apparently we have some F1 drivers in here who can extract so much performance from the m240i that it makes the M2 irrelevant. I like the m240 and would probably order one if it came in manual. But to pretend the performance difference is something I could take advantage of is so juvenile. Buy the car that is more fun to drive period.

[pabrognara]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

This new 2 series is fast but apparently lacks the drama of a true M car which will be seen in the next M2 iteration, like I said can't wait now!!

I second you. Having the m340xi b4 getting the m2c the car is different. Not that m240i is the same as m340i but the little weight diff (100kg) and same engine/transmission wouldnt make it a sporty car! I was really disappointed w m340i expecting it to be sporty. It was really great in roads but to play around corners definetely not. The same would be w m240xi IMO.

[swc5150]

I guess I'm the person they build the 240 for? I went to the dealer to buy a new '21 M2C, 6MT, and I as I mentioned earlier, just couldn't do it in the end. Awesome car, don't get me wrong. The issue for me was I don't track my cars, and simply enjoy a few pulls here and there and a brisk ride down a local windy road. I could tell right away the M2 had stiffer suspension and better brakes, but my FBO M235xi at the time was just as much or more engaging for where and how I drive. With all that said, I'm not ordering a 240 right away, so I may just wait to see what they do with the new M2 before making a final decision. My hunch tells me it may be a very special car.

[02M3ForMe]

OG M2 is the most underwhelming M ever. I test drove it many, many times trying to convince myself to buy it. Never did. M235i power, heck M235i everything except for much better handling (in exchange for a seriously unrefined ride) and some external parts I can't see from behind the wheel. Putting the S55 in it and adding a bunch of real M parts was what it needed (M2C, bought 3 of those). Barely worth $40k IMO.

As a fun daily driver, the G42 M240i is much better than the OG M2. That we're even comparing the two is a testament to how good the G42 is. The G87 will destroy the F87.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

OG M2 is the most underwhelming M ever. I test drove it many, many times trying to convince myself to buy it. Never did. M235i power, heck M235i everything except for much better handling (in exchange for a seriously unrefined ride) and some external parts I can't see from behind the wheel. Putting the S55 in it and adding a bunch of real M parts was what it needed (M2C, bought 3 of those). Barely worth $40k IMO.

As a fun daily driver, the G42 M240i is much better than the OG M2. That we're even comparing the two is a testament to how good the G42 is. The G87 will destroy the F87.

I guess that makes sense; N55 engine in the OG M2 was to S55, as is the B58 to S58.

Hence, the relational difference between the M2 OG and the M2C which I think will be repeated with the M240i and the G87 M2C

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I guess that makes sense; N55 engine in the OG M2 was to S55, as is the B58 to S58.

Hence, the relational difference between the M2 OG and the M2C which I think will be repeated with the M240i and the G87 M2C

Let’s hope BMW doesn’t take the OG M2 approach and settle for a pumped up B58 (unless it’s seriously pumped up; over 450hp).

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

OG M2 is the most underwhelming M ever. I test drove it many, many times trying to convince myself to buy it. Never did. M235i power, heck M235i everything except for much better handling (in exchange for a seriously unrefined ride) and some external parts I can't see from behind the wheel. Putting the S55 in it and adding a bunch of real M parts was what it needed (M2C, bought 3 of those). Barely worth $40k IMO.

As a fun daily driver, the G42 M240i is much better than the OG M2. That we're even comparing the two is a testament to how good the G42 is. The G87 will destroy the F87.

I disagree with all of this. I really enjoyed my time behind of the wheel of the OG M2, but I never bought one. You got more power than the 240i, a real differential, bigger rubber, etc. Really fun car to drive and it sounded awesome.

[Davil]

Both great cars for their intended audience. I'd take the blue one.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

OG M2 is the most underwhelming M ever. I test drove it many, many times trying to convince myself to buy it. Never did. M235i power, heck M235i everything except for much better handling (in exchange for a seriously unrefined ride) and some external parts I can't see from behind the wheel. Putting the S55 in it and adding a bunch of real M parts was what it needed (M2C, bought 3 of those). Barely worth $40k IMO.

As a fun daily driver, the G42 M240i is much better than the OG M2. That we're even comparing the two is a testament to how good the G42 is. The G87 will destroy the F87.

That is so weird to hear you say. I have owned both and I think I prefer the character of the N55 T0 in the OG better. No, it isn't an m235i motor. I maintain there is some voodoo in the M2 N55. Yes the M2C has the M bits that are definitely appreciated, but the OG had more comfortable seats and a motor that was more pleasing to listen to while being a lot of fun around town. I never found it underwhelming in comparison to any modern M car. Compared to my E46 they are all underwhelming. Unless you're only about power. Which is weird because you'll just get used to that as the novelty wears off.

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by stefan

That is so weird to hear you say. I have owned both and I think I prefer the character of the N55 T0 in the OG better. No, it isn't an m235i motor. I maintain there is some voodoo in the M2 N55. Yes the M2C has the M bits that are definitely appreciated, but the OG had more comfortable seats and a motor that was more pleasing to listen to while being a lot of fun around town. I never found it underwhelming in comparison to any modern M car. Compared to my E46 they are all underwhelming. Unless you're only about power. Which is weird because you'll just get used to that as the novelty wears off.

There IS M voodoo in the M2s N55…

Forged crankshaft and connecting rods
New oil pan and drain pump
Cast iron cylinder liners
New exhaust manifold
Upgraded intake

It's most definitely NOT an M235 engine.

The only thing I liked about my former 335 was the N55. When I learned the OG had an N55 engineered by M,m and read about the differences it was a no brainer for me…and it's proven to be way more fun than the 335s. So it makes no sense to me to say it's basically an M235 engine.

But to each their own…we all like what we like for whatever reason. As long as we each have something we enjoy that is all that matters.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by stefan

That is so weird to hear you say. I have owned both and I think I prefer the character of the N55 T0 in the OG better. No, it isn't an m235i motor. I maintain there is some voodoo in the M2 N55. Yes the M2C has the M bits that are definitely appreciated, but the OG had more comfortable seats and a motor that was more pleasing to listen to while being a lot of fun around town. I never found it underwhelming in comparison to any modern M car. Compared to my E46 they are all underwhelming. Unless you're only about power. Which is weird because you'll just get used to that as the novelty wears off.

Yes, I found the OG M2 the least special M car I’ve ever driven. In one case, I drove 150 miles in my M235i to the dealer with the full expectation of trading it in for a very reasonably priced used one in perfect condition, and I was once again so unimpressed with the performance delta relative to the price delta that I just drove my car back. And that was the ultimate back-to-back fresh comparison. “Excellent-handling M235i” is what it felt like, plain and simple. Some people might really like that - that’s not enough for me.

On the other hand, I rented an M2 Competition on Turo while I was in LA and had so much fun blitzing the canyons that I bought one a few weeks later. That car convinced me right away. Far from an “excellent-handling M240i”, the Comp felt like a slightly detuned, short-wheelbase M4 with a lot of F82 M4 chassis bad behavior tuned out. Now we’re talking.

Yes, the N55-powered OG sounds better than the S55 M2C. Both cars are pretty ordinary in the wider context of good-sounding sports cars. Certainly not a strong enough incentive to turn down real M seats, M mirrors, LCI styling, and the far more interesting S55 powerband.

I’ve owned nearly 2 dozen E46 M3s. No idea how that car makes any modern M seem “underwhelming”. The model immediately after it was already meaningfully better, not to mention cars like the M2 Comp and F82 and G82 that all completely and utterly blow it away. I drove a couple E46 Ms again in recent weeks looking for something to drive while I await my M4 Comp xDrive and M240i xDrive orders. E46 M casting a shadow on any of the newer cars? That’s pure, unadulterated nostalgia talking.

[Ricochet48]

Originally Posted by WWM3

I disagree with all of this. I really enjoyed my time behind of the wheel of the OG M2, but I never bought one. You got more power than the 240i, a real differential, bigger rubber, etc. Really fun car to drive and it sounded awesome.

The new G42 M240i is a different story though. Its updated B58 is 382hp and has more low-end torque than the OG M2's tuned N55. The G42 also comes with an M-performance differential stock and has the ability to add fairly wide rubber (especially thanks to the wider hips).

Its issues are mostly styling preference & extra weight for all the goodies.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

The new G42 M240i is a different story though. Its updated B58 is 382hp and has more low-end torque than the OG M2's tuned N55. The G42 also comes with an M-performance differential stock and has the ability to add fairly wide rubber (especially thanks to the wider hips).

Its issues are mostly styling preference & extra weight for all the goodies.

I hear you. I DD an M340i. It's a great package. My comments are a reaction to the previous person's OG M2 slander.

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

OG M2 is the most underwhelming M ever. I test drove it many, many times trying to convince myself to buy it. Never did. M235i power, heck M235i everything except for much better handling (in exchange for a seriously unrefined ride) and some external parts I can't see from behind the wheel. Putting the S55 in it and adding a bunch of real M parts was what it needed (M2C, bought 3 of those). Barely worth $40k IMO.

As a fun daily driver, the G42 M240i is much better than the OG M2. That we're even comparing the two is a testament to how good the G42 is. The G87 will destroy the F87.

*cough* USDM E36 M3 *cough*

If they had made the G42 M240i like the enthusiasts who bought the F22 version wanted (6MT, RWD) I am definitely sure this would have been a much closer comparison.

[pabrognara]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

far from an "excellent-handling M240i", the Comp felt like a slightly detuned, short-wheelbase M4 with a lot of F82 M4 chassis bad behavior tuned out. Now we're talking.

not to mention cars like the M2 Comp and F82 and G82 that all completely and utterly blow it away.
.

The m2c really hands down one of the best cars I have driven. Coming from an m340xi I would just change my f87c for the new g87c or a more driver oriented coupe.

[Hankdoll]

OG M2 is the most underwhelming M ever - 02M3ForMe
OG M2 is the best M car BMW ever made - Jeremy Clarkson

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by Hankdoll

OG M2 is the most underwhelming M ever - 02M3ForMe
OG M2 is the best M car BMW ever made - Jeremy Clarkson

I mean, it's damn near next to impossible to not have fun in the OG. But whatever, to each their own.

[yanks1]

Al Bundy & everyone, what is "OG"??

[________]

Originally Posted by yanks1

Al Bundy & everyone, what is "OG"

First M2 with the N55 motor.

It's been conventionally called that as the "original" or "old gangster" to differentiate it from the M2 Competition that replaced it, which has the S55 motor.

[yanks1]

Did M2 convert to the S55 motor in 2020 or 2021??

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Originally Posted by yanks1

Did M2 convert to the S55 motor in 2020 or 2021??

2019. All M2Cs have the S55.

Edit: though production began mid-2018.

[________]

Originally Posted by yanks1

Did M2 convert to the S55 motor in 2020 or 2021??

It never did. The S55 engine version is called "Competition".

It's true they didn't overlap in production or offering, so the competition replaced the M2. So that's the easiest way to determine which engine they have. The M2 has the N55, the M2 Competition and CS have the S55.