Fault code 004ABB -- EGT sensor before particle filter too high

Persian Whisperjet · 05-07-2015, 09:07 AM

Car has run flawlessly since the alphabet soup-ectomy last week, but I have gotten (and cleared) this EGT code twice, both times on startup with a cold engine. EGTs seem to be in the normal range -- I got 171 C driving/crawling in to work today (EGT before the catalyst). Any thoughts?

DWR · 05-07-2015, 02:07 PM

So it does not do it once it is warm? That's the stumper.
My first thought was the temp sensors might be reversed, as the DDE is probably looking for a differential.

dixy2k · 05-07-2015, 05:35 PM

I would assume you also have the EGR delete.
The engine runs cold for too long and it wants to warm up quicker. The EGR valve also provides for a faster warm up. Since (if) there is not EGR function left, the engine will increase EGT (still thinking it can dump more heat through the EGR valve back inside the engine) in order to speed up the warm up process.
It should only last for a few minutes or roughly 140F.

Mik325tds · 05-07-2015, 07:31 PM

Are you sure you have connected it to the right connector? It's easy to mix up pre and post cat. The connector should be near the differential pressure sensor not the forward one. Check the color coding on the wires: It should be Yellow/Blue and Brown/Yellow. Not grey/white and brown.

Persian Whisperjet · 05-07-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mik325tds

Are you sure you have connected it to the right connector?

Guys thanks. Looks like I have some spelunking to do.

According to BMWhat (see photo) while coasting down Mass Ave with the traffic this morning, my EGT "before the catalyst" was running 171.84 C (this number moved around) while EGT "upstream of the catalyst" was 168.84 C and EGT "before particulate filter" was a balmy -30.86 C.

Does that suggest a mixup?

No EGR delete... yet.

Yozh · 05-08-2015, 03:12 AM

Second EGT sensor is either unplugged or toast. If unplugged, you should get a second error code for that. Suggest unplugging it and see what happens. I believe you have the alphabet delete done. If so, swap the temp sensors.

Persian Whisperjet · 05-08-2015, 07:31 AM

Yozh I only have two bungs. That sounds weird but you know what I mean.

GreekboyD · 05-08-2015, 07:52 AM

Who did your tuning?

Persian Whisperjet · 05-08-2015, 08:31 AM

The Pole from the land of snow and ice.

GreekboyD · 05-08-2015, 08:39 AM

I'm with him right now. Says to make sure that you haven't mismatched the connections.

Persian Whisperjet · 05-08-2015, 08:49 AM

OK that is what Mik said! Excellent. Can you ask if I can swap the plugs or do the EGT probes have to come out?

Persian Whisperjet · 05-08-2015, 08:50 AM

P.S. Give my regards to the ever helpful Justyna.

GreekboyD · 05-08-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Persian Whisperjet

P.S. Give my regards to the ever helpful Justyna.

He's busy at the moment but said he'll get around to reading this thread as I've sent him the link.

Yozh · 05-08-2015, 11:58 PM

You do not need to physically remove the temp sensors, just swap the connectors and see what happens. At the very least you will know if one is kaput.

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DWR Banned 799 Rep 1,630 Posts Drives: 2009 335d Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Maine iTrader: (0)	So it does not do it once it is warm? That's the stumper. My first thought was the temp sensors might be reversed, as the DDE is probably looking for a differential.
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dixy2k Major 88 Rep 1,151 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	I would assume you also have the EGR delete. The engine runs cold for too long and it wants to warm up quicker. The EGR valve also provides for a faster warm up. Since (if) there is not EGR function left, the engine will increase EGT (still thinking it can dump more heat through the EGR valve back inside the engine) in order to speed up the warm up process. It should only last for a few minutes or roughly 140F.
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Mik325tds Major 808 Rep 1,192 Posts Drives: 335d M-Sport Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greater Detroit iTrader: (0)	Are you sure you have connected it to the right connector? It's easy to mix up pre and post cat. The connector should be near the differential pressure sensor not the forward one. Check the color coding on the wires: It should be Yellow/Blue and Brown/Yellow. Not grey/white and brown.
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Yozh Colonel 871 Rep 2,611 Posts Drives: 2011 335d M-Sport Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Wet Coast iTrader: (4)	Second EGT sensor is either unplugged or toast. If unplugged, you should get a second error code for that. Suggest unplugging it and see what happens. I believe you have the alphabet delete done. If so, swap the temp sensors.
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Persian Whisperjet Kind of a Big Deal 171 Rep 857 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Washington, D.C. iTrader: (0)	Yozh I only have two bungs. That sounds weird but you know what I mean.
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GreekboyD Brigadier General 411 Rep 3,051 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 335d Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335d [8.00]	I'm with him right now. Says to make sure that you haven't mismatched the connections.
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Persian Whisperjet Kind of a Big Deal 171 Rep 857 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Washington, D.C. iTrader: (0)	OK that is what Mik said! Excellent. Can you ask if I can swap the plugs or do the EGT probes have to come out?
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Yozh Colonel 871 Rep 2,611 Posts Drives: 2011 335d M-Sport Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Wet Coast iTrader: (4)	You do not need to physically remove the temp sensors, just swap the connectors and see what happens. At the very least you will know if one is kaput.
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