[rodness]

Originally Posted by applecst

Honestly, looking at this, I don't know if I hate the stack on screen more or the no-shiftstick-design more 😂

I hate the lack of 1-8 buttons the most.

[ChrisM4]

Ignoring the UI/UX concerns the screen is just stuck on top of the existing dash. It looks like lazy design to me but maybe in person it looks better…

I can't tell from the pictures what's replaced the shifter? Is it like the 911 with a little Braun razor?

[am3r1ka]

Originally Posted by Nordkeyz73

Retrofit shifters will totally be a thing. The aftermarket will have fun with this.

Even with the retrofit, I doubt you'll be able to slide it over into sport like the older ones.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Penguino

Do you know what the "Ultimate Driving Machine" means when you cant even grab a shifter? No thanks.

What's the point of a shifter lever if it's an automatic anyways? It doesn't even make any sense like a lesbian couple wanting a dildo.. So to speak..

They may as well chop it off for expedience and aesthetics, you still have the steering wheel paddles to modulate the gear changes.

[thatBimmerBloke]

Originally Posted by Penguino

First it was the bonnet, then removal of door locks from center console, then FWD, then 4-cyl engines, forced induction on M cars (this is one I can tolerate), now we get no buttons and no shifter.

Do you know what the "Ultimate Driving Machine" means when you cant even grab a shifter? No thanks.

Just curious, what does one need the shifter for when it's not a manual and all you are doing is pressing a few buttons on a stick? Even for shifting, why would someone not use the paddles?

[Nordkeyz73]

Originally Posted by am3r1ka

Even with the retrofit, I doubt you'll be able to slide it over into sport like the older ones.

Probably true. I liked the idea of being able to use the shifter or paddles.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

Ignoring the UI/UX concerns the screen is just stuck on top of the existing dash. It looks like lazy design to me but maybe in person it looks better…

I can't tell from the pictures what's replaced the shifter? Is it like the 911 with a little Braun razor?

No the dash is redesigned.
It's very lazy to not even properly look at it, than whine based on your false assumption.

And this is LCI, usually the dash design never changes with LCI. Now it did.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by ReallyRadams

I didn’t think about resale. You think that would affect the value?

It would affect the value quiet a bit.

No one in real life would prefer id7 to id8. This kind of hate and toxicity for anything new is confined in the Internet.

[Penguino]

Originally Posted by thatBimmerBloke

Just curious, what does one need the shifter for when it's not a manual and all you are doing is pressing a few buttons on a stick? Even for shifting, why would someone not use the paddles?

Originally Posted by Poochie

What's the point of a shifter lever if it's an automatic anyways? It doesn't even make any sense like a lesbian couple wanting a dildo.. So to speak..

They may as well chop it off for expedience and aesthetics, you still have the steering wheel paddles to modulate the gear changes.

Originally Posted by thatBimmerBloke

Just curious, what does one need the shifter for when it's not a manual and all you are doing is pressing a few buttons on a stick? Even for shifting, why would someone not use the paddles?

A lot of people enjoy dildos.

That's like asking why do you need keys if you can open it with your phone. Or why do we need a tachometer if it's an automatic and will shift by itself right?

[Quentin007]

It may be modern, but that's not nice ... it doesn't fit in a coupe at all!

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Penguino

A lot of people enjoy dildos.

That's like asking why do you need keys if you can open it with your phone. Or why do we need a tachometer if it's an automatic and will shift by itself right?

I learn something new everyday..

And iDrive 8 uses a revised version of the Comfort Access system, where key fobs are no longer necessary; it unlocks the car (automatically) and starts the engine with just the NFC in your phone.

And once again, yes, "automatic" literally means it shifts for itself, where the tachometer is there for vanity. It's serves as much purpose as a shifter lever.

I'm trying to understand your grievances but it sounds more like nitpicking, just for the sake of it.

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[Penguino]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I learn something new everyday..

And iDrive 8 uses a revised version of Comfort Access system, where keys are not necessary; it unlocks the car (automatically) and starts the engine with just the NFC in your phone.

And once again, yes, "automatic" literally means it shifts for itself and the tachometer is there for vanity. It's serves as much purpose as a shifter lever.

I'm trying to understand your grievances but it sounds more like nitpicking, just for the sake of it.

Originally Posted by Poochie

What's the point of a shifter lever if it's an automatic anyways? It doesn't even make any sense like a lesbian couple wanting a dildo.. So to speak..

They may as well chop it off for expedience and aesthetics, you still have the steering wheel paddles to modulate the gear changes.

Originally Posted by thatBimmerBloke

Just curious, what does one need the shifter for when it's not a manual and all you are doing is pressing a few buttons on a stick? Even for shifting, why would someone not use the paddles?

It's just not worth explaining to someone that's asking "why do we need a shifter?"

Edit: I don't mean this in a derogatory or condescending way.

[ergarza]

To me BMW is about the driving experience....... I am not an artist or designer so I don't comment on the latest designs but removing the gearshifter and placing a flat screen in front of the driver will not transferring the same experience......

[stefan]

Originally Posted by MPR

What's the issue with losing the "shifter" on an auto? Not being sarcastic or anything, but this just moves you from park to drive to reverse, right?

For real. Seems odd that this is the hill they die on. Not like, all of the tactile buttons that they will interact with 10x 100x more per drive that have been relegated to a poorly integrated slab of a touchscreen which has been shown in plenty of human interface studies to be detrimental to safety.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by stefan

For real. Seems odd that this is the hill they die on. Not like, all of the tactile buttons that they will interact with 10x 100x more per drive that have been relegated to a poorly integrated slab of a touchscreen which has been shown in plenty of human interface studies to be detrimental to safety.

Exactly. I couldn't care less about a shifter if I'm not rowing gears anyway. I'd love for them to keep the buttons for climate control and programmable buttons 1-8 or whatever.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ChrisM4

I can't tell from the pictures what's replaced the shifter? Is it like the 911 with a little Braun razor?

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[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by stefan

For real. Seems odd that this is the hill they die on. Not like, all of the tactile buttons that they will interact with 10x 100x more per drive that have been relegated to a poorly integrated slab of a touchscreen which has been shown in plenty of human interface studies to be detrimental to safety.

If you haven't been driving with a shifter for 30 or 40 YEARS then understandably, you might not get it.

All these new knobs, trackpads, and pushbuttons suck. A shifter worked just fine for 100 years. What changed besides the power wielded by today's bean counters and wanting to emulate the god-awfully sparse tesla interior?

We were in a rented car this past weekend (GMC) that had a dash pushbutton "shifter". My wife tried to put it into gear with her water bottle in the cup holder. This after driving an RDX for almost 2 years with its own shitty button implementation. If it's ingrained deep enough into your driving habits, chances are you'll never get used to no shifter. And auto or manual, its just a convenient place to rest your hand.

Imagine if all sneakers did away with shoelaces and all you had was an elastic or velcro bootie top with Nike, NB, Asics, Adidas, and every other manufacturer coming up with their own patented proprietary replacement. I mean, do you really NEED shoelaces?

[AP]

I work in I.T. And spend all day staring at a screen. The last thing I want to do when I go out in the car is do the same!

I think bmw have got basic ergonomics wrong here. Anything you have to do whilst the car is in motion should be a button or dial. You should have to take your eyes off the road to do that task.
Putting functions on a touch screen means you have to look at it.
I think the screen looks cheap although I find it difficult to explain why. I think it's lazy as just about everything can be done in software which means it can be coded up and presumably they will keep modifying it with lots of updates which seems to be the norm with any software these days….

The ultimate driving machine? I think bmw with the exception of the m models and perhaps a few of the higher spec models have lost their way on that now. They are catering for the masses and chasing the money ( and getting it)

Well that's just my opinion anyway

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by MPR

Exactly. I couldn't care less about a shifter if I'm not rowing gears anyway. I'd love for them to keep the buttons for climate control and programmable buttons 1-8 or whatever.

The "Hot Keys" are now integrated within the display, you simply swipe down on the screen and they all instantly populates.

You now have 1 - 12 shortcuts.


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[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

No the dash is redesigned.
It's very lazy to not even properly look at it, than whine based on your false assumption.

And this is LCI, usually the dash design never changes with LCI. Now it did.

I didn't word my post properly…I know it's redesigned as the cluster and other screen is gone but it's just plopped on top of the dash with a stand on the back of it. It also has gaps.

It doesn't look properly "integrated" into the dash.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The "Hot Keys" are now integrated within the display, you simply swipe down on the screen and they all instantly populates.


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That was my point, I prefer actual plastic buttons for this

[NoSuchSol]

I like the appearance and the feel of a shifter even in an automatic. BMW also has it set up correctly for upshifts and downshifts (unlike Audi!) so I will end up using that in certain circumstances. The volume knob being down in the center like that is nice (like Audi!).