[Rdurty2]

Not sure if this link will work for everyone but here is the BMW bulletin explaining how ISTA will automatically flag tuned cars when hooked up

https://myair-bdr.bmwgroup.com/air/f...d-ee382874c3ac

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by idontsave

Just wanted to provide the information I have received firsthand regarding the possibility of getting flagged by the dealership.

For quite some time, it was up to the discretion of your SA and the dealership itself whether or not they would flag your vehicle for flash tunes, piggybacks, mods, etc. This made it somewhat uncommon to get flagged as long as you maintained a good relationship and were upfront about what you had on the car. They would have to make a conscious decision to screw you over in order to flag you.

A little less than 1 year ago, I had gotten word that the new ISTA version that dealerships were using would now automatically detect flash tunes and flag the vehicle as soon as it was plugged in. Since I was due for service soon, I made sure to bring this up with my SA and he confirmed that this was true and that it had happened to a few of his clients who did not let him know ahead of time that they had a tune on their cars. He told me he would make sure to do everything he could to not plug in my car, and I ultimately managed to avoid getting flagged, but it was much more stressful for both of us every time I had to bring the vehicle in.

Having a flagged vehicle does not necessarily mean that any and all warranty work will be denied, but it is more likely it will be if the issue can be attributed to the tune.

I can't confirm that the current ISTA does the same for piggybacks if altered parameters are detected, but I have seen others here state that this is the case.

I had a fully built M4 with a flash tune (lease) and no warranty problems.
I currently have a fully built G82 M4 (piggyback), no problems
Both cars are leased, so you'd think they would be more strict.

Whether they flag the car or is irrelevant, in my opinion. Warranty work is only denied when a modification causes the damage; if that is the case, you should not be asking them to fix it for free, nor should you expect that to happen. You pay to play.

Get a good brand are you are safe, as proven by hundreds of thousands of customers.

I would not take the work of a service mechanic; this forum is the perfect data pool. Six hundred thousand members, most with modified cars. If dealerships are flagging and denying warranty often, the first pages of every section would be filled with these threads

[burkhacs]

Lots of great discussion in this thread about tuning "risk".... still something to think about. It might be fun to enjoy the car for what it is once I get delivery and then tune further down the line to give it a "refreshed" feeling.

[burkhacs]

Originally Posted by Rdurty2

Not sure if this link will work for everyone but here is the BMW bulletin explaining how ISTA will automatically flag tuned cars when hooked up

https://myair-bdr.bmwgroup.com/air/f...d-ee382874c3ac

Link doesnt work, says "Not Authorized"

[702MoxyBMW]

Yes, that link doesn't work for me either. Is it real?

[Rdurty2]

Originally Posted by 702MoxyBMW

Yes, that link doesn't work for me either. Is it real?

Yes it’s real. I will take screenshots later and post them. Not sure why the link doesn’t work.

[Rdurty2]

Here you go, it's just the text of the bulletin. I didn't feel like uploading all of the ISTA screenshots that the tech would see:

Service Information Bulletin
ISTA AFTERMARKET ENGINE TUNING DETECTION AND REPAIR AUTHORIZATION
B00 04 21 [SI] November 2021

Complaint
SITUATION
An increased number of vehicles are experiencing various drivability complaints, premature component failures, and increased diagnostic times that may be caused by vehicle modifications or aftermarket tuning kits.

To aid in diagnosing BMW vehicles experiencing these issues, ISTA is now able to automatically evaluate the vehicle information and indicate if any modifications have been identified.

When ISTA identifies abnormalities consistent with an aftermarket vehicle modification, a “Pop-Up” message alerting the technician is displayed.

Additionally, the following fault will be displayed in ISTA.

Fault Code Control module Fault code test
S0777 DME Suspicion of engine tuning

If the customer complaint relates to a repair covered by a BMW of North America (BMW NA) warranty or other BMW program involving one of the construction groups below-

Submit a “ Repair Clearing” TSARA case

This TSARA case submission is required to determine the presence and impact of any modifications

Construction groups which require a “Repair Clearing” TSARA case:

11 – Engine
12 – Engine electrical
13 – Fuel systems
16 – Fuel supply systems
17 – Cooling systems
18 – Exhaust systems
21 – Clutch
22 – Engine and gearbox suspension
23 – Manual transmission
24 – Automatic transmission
25 – Gearshift mechanism
26 – Driveshaft
27 – Intermediate and special transmission
28 – M Double-clutch Transmission with Drivelogic
31 – Front axle
33 – Rear axle

Cause
CAUSE
While performing a Vehicle Test, ISTA has identified information which may indicate modification or tuning of the vehicle.

Measure
MODEL
All, for covered repairs on vehicles under the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty including the corresponding emission warranty when it applies, applicable component-specific Extended Limited Warranty, CPO Program or Extended Service Contract coverage.

CORRECTION
In cases where BMW NA would be responsible for the repair, create a “Repair Clearing” TSARA case before you proceed with additional repairs.

PROCEDURE
In the event of a vehicle arrives at your center with the SITUATION described above, proceed as follows:

1. Perform diagnosis with ISTA.
2. Read out additional diagnostic information by performing the following test plan. Select:

Service functions

Powertrain

Engine electrical

Perform ABL “Check engine tuning” (ABL-DIT-AS1214_TD_BASIC)

3. Submit a “Repair Clearing” TSARA case

a. Choose the “Repair Clearing” case type
b. Enter the case title “Suspicion of tuning”
c. Select “Verification for Manipulation” as the case category.
d. Enter the current vehicle mileage
e. Confirm the vehicle is on site
f. Set the priority to “Reply Requested”
g. Read and acknowledge the privacy requirements”
h. Select “Legitimate interest”
i. Enter the reason for the service visit in the “Complaint” section
j. Confirm you have run the “Check engine tuning test plan” and record any other work performed in the “work performed” section
k. Review the case details for correctness and completeness

4. Submit the case and await further instructions and authorization from the TSARA specialist.

CLAIM INFORMATION

Under the terms of the applicable BMW coverage, use the following claim code procedure to submit a reimbursement request for the eligible work below that applies and was performed.

Claim Submission

Defect Code: MG SG XX XX XX* Claim with the Defect Code that applies to the work that necessitated a Repair Clearing Case procedure to be performed

*Refer to AIR for the corresponding component or system’s applicable Defect Code’s first eight numbers: Main Group (MG) number, Sub Group (SG) number and the other remaining numbers.

This process is completed by entering either “00” or the program’s “vendor code” identifier in the 9th and 10th positions.

1. Vehicle Test

When this diagnosis is done as a standalone repair, or it is not included any other repairs being performed, claim the applicable labor operations below that apply (1 and 2 together).

Labor Operation Description Labor Allowance
00 00 006 Performing vehicle test (with vehicle diagnosis system – checking faults) (Main work) Refer to AIR
Or:
00 00 556 Performing vehicle test (with vehicle diagnosis system – checking faults) (Plus work) Refer to AIR
And:
61 21 528 Support voltage of the vehicle electrical system / recharge vehicle electrical system battery Refer to AIR

If you are using a Main labor code for another repair, use the Plus code labor operation 00 00 556 instead of 00 00 006, or exclude (including 61 21 528) when the Vehicle Test is included in another repair.

Or:

2. Additional Diagnosis

If the Vehicle Test is included in another repair, then only claim the applicable additional labor operations below that apply (2 only).

Labor Operation Description Labor Allowance
61 00 006** Performing vehicle diagnosis – test module 3 FRU
And:
00 58 677 TeileClearing lump-sum fee Associated work Refer to AIR
And, as needed:
MG 99 000 Applicable work time for any additional work as required and/or as requested through the TSARA case WT

Refer to AIR for the corresponding flat rate unit (FRU) allowances.

Claim Repair Comments

Be sure to reference the TSARA case on the RO and in the claim comments and explain any eligible and covered work that was performed as instructed by BMW through the response to your TSARA case.

** For all centers: Please refer to SI B01 01 20 for the applicable procedure for documenting, claiming, and explaining, on the RO and in the claim comments, your diagnosis work time (WT), job/repair work time (WT), and the vehicle repairs your center performed, unless otherwise required by State law.

For Service Information Bulletin B01 07 20 centers, BMW Warranty Simplification Program (WSP) Diagnosis Work Time Flat Rate Concept, your process is exempt from this special diagnosis and repair review procedure. C laim the supported work time (WT) that applies to diagnosing a “Suspicion of engine tuning” alert on a vehicle as outlined in this bulletin.

Additional reference material covering the modification of vehicles is published in the Customers Warranty Manual, the Owner’s Manual and Warranty Policy and Procedures Manual.

QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS BULLETIN

Technical inquiries Submit feedback at the top of this bulletin
Warranty inquiries Please contact the Warranty department by either using the Live Chat that’s available in the Warranty Documentation Portal or through IDS by selecting Coverage, Policy, Coding Questions and Mileage Corrections
Parts inquiries Submit an IDS ticket to the Parts Department

Validity information

Service Information Bulletin Metadata
Model series: ALL
Engine range: ALL
Body style: ALL
Fault codes: S0777

[xcelir8bmw]

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[rhinop21]

Any updates on unlocking DME and having MHD or Bootmod3 compatibility? I'll run a Jb4 if I have to but much prefer the full flash. I guess I have some time BMW just got back to me, estimating November 2022 for my 2023 M240i build.

[Value]

Originally Posted by rhinop21

Any updates on unlocking DME and having MHD or Bootmod3 compatibility? I'll run a Jb4 if I have to but much prefer the full flash. I guess I have some time BMW just got back to me, estimating November 2022 for my 2023 M240i build.

Yes,the unlock is $1850 and the ECU must be sent to femto. BM3/MHD and Mg flasher all work. Everything except Ecutek.

I have a JB4 and a DP already. Waiting on my car to arrive tho lol - But I’m sending mine to him once I buy the pure800 and manifold 👌🏻

[rhinop21]

Originally Posted by Value

Yes,the unlock is $1850 and the ECU must be sent to femto. BM3/MHD and Mg flasher all work. Everything except Ecutek.

I have a JB4 and a DP already. Waiting on my car to arrive tho lol - But I’m sending mine to him once I buy the pure800 and manifold 👌🏻

As I understand Femto is in Russia, correct? Can things still be shipped there?

[Value]

Originally Posted by rhinop21

As I understand Femto is in Russia, correct? Can things still be shipped there?

He was in Russia. Now he’s in Finland,and he does them all day,every day. No issues

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Value

He was in Russia. Now he’s in Finland,and he does them all day,every day. No issues

I'm not worried about Femto; I'm more concerned about shipments getting lost, damaged, and user mistakes or bad luck.

It's not a cheap part to replace, so I'd instead use a JB4 for now, and if bm3 becomes available in the future without having to remove the DME, then I will do that.

I don't think it's worth the risk for a daily driver; I'd only consider it if I'm building a race car and the flash tune is a must for features that the piggyback cannot offer.

[Frequencyz]

Don't wanna make a new thread. But this is with AA catted DP and a Dinan intake, no other mods. Incase anyone is curious.

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by Frequencyz

Don't wanna make a new thread. But this is with AA catted DP and a Dinan intake, no other mods. Incase anyone is curious.

Image resolution is so low I can't read any of the numbers. Anyone else?

[Frequencyz]

It's a thumbnail to an image you can click it and it'll be bigger. But 365ish whp, 380ish wtq

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by Frequencyz

It's a thumbnail to an image you can click it and it'll be bigger. But 365ish whp, 380ish wtq

I clicked it, downloaded it, everything and it's still super blurry.

What we're the original WHP numbers?

[Frequencyz]

Never did a stock run. Just data because a lot of people have the exact same setup in here. Going to do another after I slap one of these piggyback tuners on there

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by Frequencyz

Never did a stock run. Just data because a lot of people have the exact same setup in here. Going to do another after I slap one of these piggyback tuners on there

I'd like to follow a similar mod path, so please, post the updates. Thank you!

[Frequencyz]

I mean I'm sure there's more power to be found even how I have it now. They couldn't get it into dyno mode, and I'm on the crappy 225 A/S runflats at too high a PSI, so maaaaaybe I coulda wiggled a bit higher number. I don't know what that would equate to in flywheel HP, someone who knows more about X Drive power train losses might have to chime in

[DylanG42]

So I ordered the jb4 tuner, in the description of the tuner it says we can run ethanol how true is that?

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by DylanG42

So I ordered the jb4 tuner, in the description of the tuner it says we can run ethanol how true is that?

You need to get the flex fuel kit otherwise it won't work. The tuner increases fueling based on the ethanol percentage, but without the sensor it'll have no idea how much corn juice you're running.