new 1m turbos or f30 m3 turbos

zerep1 · 03-01-2011, 08:38 AM

by the looks of it they are all going to be using the n54, and i got this feeling that the new m3 is just going to have bigger turbos so that it can make more power then the current m3 im looking forward to possible interchangeability with there turbos for ridiculous amounts of power one oem equipment

Sniz · 03-01-2011, 08:49 AM

please for the love of go dont let them use the n54 in an M3. Pleaseeeeeeeee.

at least not in its current trim.

revised head, cams, turbo's, etc and maybe.

zerep1 · 03-01-2011, 09:03 AM

yeah its a step in the wrong direction when we are all used to having the naturally aspirated high revving engines but once people get a taste of force induction they are going to wonder why the m division didn't us turbos more often

335iPSI · 03-01-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by zerep1

yeah its a step in the wrong direction when we are all used to having the naturally aspirated high revving engines but once people get a taste of force induction they are going to wonder why the m division didn't us turbos more often

+1 I have been waiting for an FI M3 for years. Maybe lower the curb weight to ~3400lb and a solid 450hp/450tq --- man that'd be a fun ride.

OEM turbo upgrades would be killer.

Clap135 · 03-01-2011, 09:07 AM

The only problem power wise with the n54 is the turbos. Replace them with something that flows better and you have power till 7k easy

zerep1 · 03-01-2011, 10:03 AM

yeah every time i go to my friends turbo shop (boat and truck turbos) i cry ever time i see those mammoth turbos compared to our baby turbos

Brey335i · 03-01-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

The only problem power wise with the n54 is the turbos. Replace them with something that flows better and you have power till 7k easy

^ This!

I would love to see a revised N54 for duty in the next M3. One with a great fuel pump, no fueling issues, and some upgraded turbos. But that won't happen.

mycoupe · 03-01-2011, 10:24 AM

That would be killer news...especially since they would most likely be giving it LARGER injectors!!! Fueling issues helped perhaps???

tscdennab · 03-01-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

The only problem power wise with the n54 is the turbos.

And fuel. The next M3 will surely have an upgraded fuel system (both pumps, also maybe injectors).

Clap135 · 03-01-2011, 10:51 AM

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And fuel. The next M3 will surely have an upgraded fuel system (both pumps, also maybe injectors).

I guess it all depends on how much power BMW wants to put into the m3 if its 420 meaning 370ish at the wheel....they technically need no additional fuel mods. Hopefully they do change the fuel system and everything will bolt up to current n54s but this isn't a Honda lol.

AltecBX · 03-01-2011, 11:17 AM

Well, if they want to compete with the new C63, GT-R or IS-F in the works, they have to have a new motor. All these cars are going to be making close to 500HP. The new M3 will have to produce > 450HP to compete, being that is lighter using a 6 cyl with bigger turbos.

Sniz · 03-01-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

I guess it all depends on how much power BMW wants to put into the m3 if its 420 meaning 370ish at the wheel....they technically need no additional fuel mods. Hopefully they do change the fuel system and everything will bolt up to current n54s but this isn't a Honda lol.

what DC does the n54 run at on the injectors to achieve that power?

Clap135 · 03-01-2011, 11:24 AM

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what DC does the n54 run at on the injectors to achieve that power?

No clue.

joyride · 03-01-2011, 11:49 AM

It will not be an N54, I think all M cars have an S engine code designation. And S54 is already taken, so it may be based on it, but it will not be 'just' and N54 with bigger turbos.

Isn't it true that the n54 was the 'just in case' motor for the current e9X m3, if the V8 didn't work out?

Clap135 · 03-01-2011, 11:54 AM

I dunno where people are getting their information from in regards to what motor is going into what car. Does anybody have any links?

E92LNGCGY · 03-01-2011, 12:02 PM

What I'm hoping for is either a 4.0 TT V8 or a 3.5 TT I6 with about 470hp. That would be perfect.

joyride · 03-01-2011, 12:03 PM

Plenty of talk about it for the last year, looking at the trends BMW has been doing, etc.
But here's a quick google search result:
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...turbo-six.html

GeorgeSmooth · 03-01-2011, 12:12 PM

All BMW needs to do for the F30 is call Rob Beck and procure his turbos. 15psi on pump and they got the V8's power levels beat by a large margin.
I am sure BMW will add a bit of flair to the motor though mostly for marketing reasons but in terms of performance they do not really need to do much if they use the N54 as a base model.

Alpina_B3_Lux · 03-01-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zerep1

by the looks of it they are all going to be using the n54, and i got this feeling that the new m3 is just going to have bigger turbos so that it can make more power then the current m3 im looking forward to possible interchangeability with there turbos for ridiculous amounts of power one oem equipment

And your question being what exactly?

Talk about the F30 M3 is just idle speculation at the moment. And for that it's the

.

One thing is at least very likely (if your question - was there any? - goes in that direction): You'll not be able to just port over any N54 turbos to the new M3.

Alpina_B3_Lux

Sniz · 03-01-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

All BMW needs to do for the F30 is call Rob Beck and procure his turbos. 15psi on pump and they got the V8's power levels beat by a large margin.
I am sure BMW will add a bit of flair to the motor though mostly for marketing reasons but in terms of performance they do not really need to do much if they use the N54 as a base model.

you could do that, or BMW could use billet dual/triple ball bearing turbo's in proper sizes to really show off some good tech.

twin scroll HTA 28r's would be sick sick sick.

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