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Not sure what you are saying. My whole point was that the F generation the m2 and m4 were the same weight and for the G generation they are as well. Everyone is acting like it's something new and unexpected with the G87.
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Who cares that it is not surprising? It is a disappointment that these cars are as heavy as they are, first off, but the point was how can the smaller M2 be only 16lbs lighter than the bigger M4 in the new G generation, that's all. I am not at all sure the point you're making...other than my point. Don't know why you're frustrated about where this idea came from. IMO, a smaller car should be lighter than its bigger sister car...that's where that idea came from; it is smaller. And, I find it a shame it isn't any lighter. The fact that you accept it is okay, but I find it disappointing...that's all.
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with the data that the M2 has always been roughly the same weight as the m4. It's been a common refrain I've seen from people complaining that the new m2 is the same weight as the new m4 which I find hypocritical considering the smaller m2 has never been a lighter car in comparison. When making a "baby m4" they are also making it cheaper which is often has the opposite effect of making a car heavier, due to using cheaper materials. TBH it's a little annoying that I responded to your original comments with a detailed comparison and cited my sourced and you just responded after 2 months with a non-sensical "For the new G Generation M2 and M4" comment which didn't make any sense as a response to my comment
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Same here. You buy a RWD coupe and slap a boring auto on it? No thanks. Then add AWD, then 2 more doors...boom, you're driving a fast camry.
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M2 vs. M4 weight
Unless I'm missing something, the G82 M4 is 3,830 lbs. but comes standard with the carbon fiber roof. The G87 M2 is 3,814 with the standard steel/sunroof. If you subtract the ~45 lbs. when optioned the same you're looking at the M2 being ~60 lbs. lighter. And we know the forged vs. cast wheels are a big difference (30 lbs.?). So, apples to apples we're looking at 90 lbs. lighter for a similar spec for the M2 for its 4.4" shorter body. - that's not nothing.
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But yes, the car is really about 50-100lbs lighter depending on spec. |
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Auto for me. Look at reviews for this current gen and you will see that many complain that the manual feels like an afterthought where as the auto feels like it was made for this car (M3/M4 but close enough).
I get it, manuals are more engaging, but I honestly have more fun in modern automatics. Easier to toss around, and I don't have to worry about money shifting in the back of my mind. Also I personally will be dailying frequently, so the choice was easy. Go with what you want, don't list to the ride or die folks. |
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I originally had a Manual on order but changed it to Automatic after I test drove an M3 Competition (Automatic). The engine and drive on it was so savage, I figured there's no way a human can shift fast enough to fully enjoy the engine. Sequential Mode on the Automatic with the paddles is a lot of fun.
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[QUOTE=Gib007;29954123]I originally had a Manual on order but changed it to Automatic after I test drove an M3 Competition (Automatic). The engine and drive on it was so savage, I figured there's no way a human can shift fast enough to fully enjoy the engine. Sequential Mode on the Automatic with the paddles is a lot of fun.
This is coming from me - a European who has driven for 16 years and has only driven Manual, ever. My only experience with Automatic was that test drive. Did you test drive a Base M3 with the Manual for comparison? |
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Yeah, I hope this is more accurate. Is the advertised weight if 3814, for sure with that sunroof? I mean, in the end, I'd buy the thing over an M4 due to cost, but was hoping it'd much lighter. Still, the performance numbers are amazing regardless of its weight...like all M cars these days. But with your analysis, it'd be an easier choice for me...we'll see. Right now, still loving my tuned 230.
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If you go best case scenario, all the HEA units I believe have the carbon roof, and my car is a stick so should weigh 1711kg or 3764lbs. I think this is as close as we can get until we weigh them; which I will be doing same day I take delivery. Both with stock wheels, and my 827Ms. Edit: I'm hoping that with my wheels and a couple mods ($6500) I can get it to about 3650. |
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Since Dec. 2017 though mostly my cars have been automatics. But I'm working getting rid of my 2022 BMW 230i with an 8-speed automatic for a (fingers crossed!) 2023 BMW 2 with a 6-speed manual. This to go along with my 2023 MINI JCW with a 6-speed manual. Why? Despite the fact the 230i 8-speed is a fine transmission the resistance I get when I look into an automatic fluid/filter service -- "life time fluid" -- has me concerned about the longevity of the automatic. So after some shopping I have now acquired a 2023 MINI JCW with a 6-speed manual (my 2nd JCW with a 6-speed manual I might add) and if it all goes according to plan in less than a month I hope to be driving a M2 with a 6-speed manual. |
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But you're talking about longevity or reliability and you are buying a second mini. Clearly that's not a real concern |
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I suspect BMW automatics are if not as complicated to service as the Hellcat transmission still more complicated than a simple drain and refill of fluid. Oh and with a filter change. As for the MINI... My current JCW is my *3rd* MINI. I bought a 2023 S last Dec. to drive until I could order and receive delivery of a JCW with a 6-speed but I found one on a lot -- out in Loveland, CO -- and bought it trading in my S. The S like the 2018 JCW I owned first and now this 2023 JCW give every indication of being good reliable cars. I know the early MINIs have a rep for poor reliability but the newer ones circa I think 2016 or when the BMW engine appeared are much better in the reliability department. The car comes with a 4 year 50K mile warranty. Granted this only covers the car well, the 1st 4 years and 50K miles. My days of putting 50K miles on a car in 4 years (or less) are over with. But if this MINI proves to be unreliable I can get rid of it and get something else. |
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