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      10-26-2022, 12:44 PM   #67
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I'm certain you could sell them to someone else on the forum for a fee and swap
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$75,000 with carbon pack and most necessary options for a manual is steep. Kind of explains why F87 M2 CSs have starting mooning to space (EAG been getting sales around $130k USD recently).
I have been watching M2 CS pricing for last 6months. They are actually trending down. A clean example just sold for $88k at a midwest BMW dealer. Wasn't too long ago everyone on autotrader was above $100k.
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I have been watching M2 CS pricing for last 6months. They are actually trending down. A clean example just sold for $88k at a midwest BMW dealer. Wasn't too long ago everyone on autotrader was above $100k.
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If you spec it like a 6MT F87 Comp with Exec pack, the G87 is only about $2k more (old car was $61.5k). If you factor in the standard moonroof, it's a $1k difference. If you build a comparable G87 to the old Comp DCT car, the G87 is cheaper since the ZF8 is standard now. That's before factoring in standard Adaptive M suspension (couldn't get it without spending $84k for a CS).

If you spec your G87 like an F87 CS, it's a $10k+ savings.
+1 This what I don't understand with some of these posts.

Someone is like... "my build is $76k, that sure is a lot for entry level M car".

No sh*t you added about every new option. What did people want to have...a limited option list like the F87? You think BMW was going to add all these options for free? They already made moonroof and adaptive suspension standard.
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If you spec it like a 6MT F87 Comp with Exec pack, the G87 is only about $2k more (old car was $61.5k). If you factor in the standard moonroof, it's a $1k difference. If you build a comparable G87 to the old Comp DCT car, the G87 is cheaper since the ZF8 is standard now. That's before factoring in standard Adaptive M suspension (couldn't get it without spending $84k for a CS).

If you spec your G87 like an F87 CS, it's a $10k+ savings.
+1 This what I don't understand with some of these posts.

Someone is like... "my build is $76k, that sure is a lot for entry level M car".

No sh*t you added about every new option. What did people want to have...a limited option list like the F87? You think BMW was going to add all these options for free? They already made moonroof and adaptive suspension standard.
I think the price and option list is perfect... but it would be even better if the crappy adaptive suspension was removed for a solid passive one and the std sunroof was out.
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I think the price and option list is perfect... but it would be even better if the crappy adaptive suspension was removed for a solid passive one and the std sunroof was out.
I actually agree with you on the suspension, but I know most here will not. Don't get me started on no slicktop.
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I think the price and option list is perfect... but it would be even better if the crappy adaptive suspension was removed for a solid passive one and the std sunroof was out.
What do you dislike about the adaptive suspension? As someone who lives near rough roads it seems like a godsend.
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Big disappointment on the delayed buckets and having to buy a $10k package to get them. Puts the car at nearly $80k and loses most of the bargain appeal. Also loses the appeal of having one of the first G87s since I don't want it with sports seats.

Will probably be canceling my order.
Yeah, edging 80k is a bit much when the previous generation CS model was just a smidgen more. Makes me ponder if the Competition version will top in low 80's and a future CS version will be over 90k. Things are out of hand and no longer have to do with inflation. It's just corporate greed. Reconsidering my purchase too.

I can get a low mile certified pre-owned Porsche GTS or a lightly spec 911 Carrera for 80k. Crazy. Yeah, to force people to buy the Carbon Package to spec Carbon Seats is bullshit. Instead of spending $4500, I need to fork over twice for a package that includes a class and limiter increase not worth $2,500; at least not for me.
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Yeah, edging 80k is a bit much when the previous generation CS model was just a smidgen more. Makes me ponder if the Competition version will top in low 80's and a future CS version will be over 90k. Things are out of hand and no longer have to do with inflation. It's just corporate greed. Reconsidering my purchase too.
CS didn't have $4500 carbon buckets.
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So it's safe to say with some M Performance bits, youre encroaching the six figure threshold on a base G87. This car is really moving upmarket. I wonder what the Comp will cost? Without driving it, I can't say that the delta between a F87C and a G87 really warrants the extra cost.
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I think the price and option list is perfect... but it would be even better if the crappy adaptive suspension was removed for a solid passive one and the std sunroof was out.
What do you dislike about the adaptive suspension? As someone who lives near rough roads it seems like a godsend.
bmw adap suspension arent very good from my experience at all... in certain instances its hard to tell the difference between comfort and sport... there are ways to make a sporty passive suspension handle well and be comfortable... from my personal experience; bmw cannot do it... or maybe its time for them to move to a magnetic suspension like every serious manufacturer
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So it's safe to say with some M Performance bits, youre encroaching the six figure threshold on a base G87. This car is really moving upmarket. I wonder what the Comp will cost? Without driving it, I can't say that the delta between a F87C and a G87 really warrants the extra cost.
Or has it moved down market?

2020 M2 comp (dct)(moonroof) - $62,850

2023 M2 (zf8) - $62,200
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So it's safe to say with some M Performance bits, youre encroaching the six figure threshold on a base G87. This car is really moving upmarket. I wonder what the Comp will cost? Without driving it, I can't say that the delta between a F87C and a G87 really warrants the extra cost.
Plus the tax, finance charge, etc.. No matter how we spin it, the new M2 is no longer the affordable entry into M cars it once was. When inflation comes down, these prices will likely remain the same. That tells me greed is in the drivers seat and run amok.

Love this ride, potential to be an amazing looking car with some mods, but paying over 80k after taxes and financing costs is well beyond the realm of affordable when you consider most will also want some M Performance parts, to customize their car.

A little deflating truthfully.
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Yeah, edging 80k is a bit much when the previous generation CS model was just a smidgen more. Makes me ponder if the Competition version will top in low 80's and a future CS version will be over 90k. Things are out of hand and no longer have to do with inflation. It's just corporate greed. Reconsidering my purchase too.
CS didn't have $4500 carbon buckets.
That CS was also 200lbs lighter and didn't need the carbon buckets. This fat cow definitely does lol
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Plus the tax, finance charge, etc.. No matter how we spin it, the new M2 is no longer the affordable entry into M cars it once was. When inflation comes down, these prices will likely remain the same. That tells me greed is in the drivers seat and run amok.
Where is the greed? The G87 auto is actually cheaper than F87 auto with sunroof.

Greed is expecting BMW to offer all these new options for free.
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Big disappointment on the delayed buckets and having to buy a $10k package to get them. Puts the car at nearly $80k and loses most of the bargain appeal. Also loses the appeal of having one of the first G87s since I don't want it with sports seats.

Will probably be canceling my order.
Yeah, edging 80k is a bit much when the previous generation CS model was just a smidgen more. Makes me ponder if the Competition version will top in low 80's and a future CS version will be over 90k. Things are out of hand and no longer have to do with inflation. It's just corporate greed. Reconsidering my purchase too.

I can get a low mile certified pre-owned Porsche GTS or a lightly spec 911 Carrera for 80k. Crazy. Yeah, to force people to buy the Carbon Package to spec Carbon Seats is bullshit. Instead of spending $4500, I need to fork over twice for a package that includes a class and limiter increase not worth $2,500; at least not for me.
Just more proof that 90% of the people here buy BMWs cause they can't afford Porsches, not cause they actually want the BMWs.
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interesting that one can get merino leather albeit it costs nearly $10k...

1) what do you get if you don't get live cockpit pro? does another option even exist lol?

2) if i dont get the carbon roof... do I HAVE to get sunroof? I just want a regular roof.
1. Pretty positive at this point the $1100 just gets you HUD.

2. Yes, sunroof is standard. No slick top.

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Big disappointment on the delayed buckets and having to buy a $10k package to get them. Puts the car at nearly $80k and loses most of the bargain appeal. Also loses the appeal of having one of the first G87s since I don't want it with sports seats.

Will probably be canceling my order.
I'd assume if they weren't bundled you'd still do the trim, roof and seats...which would come out to $7900. Doesn't make much sense to complain about a bargain deal when you want almost 8k worth of CF parts.
I still don't want to be forced to pay $2k for one m-track day that I do for free through work. $7900 for cf roof, buckets and trim is doable. $10k is pushing it.

The extra 5+ month wait sucks too. I put a deposit down 7 months ago to avoid this
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When inflation comes down, these prices will likely remain the same. That tells me greed is in the drivers seat and run amok.
When inflation eases down, that means price increases will slow down. It does not mean that prices will go down. (That would be deflation, and is usually a harbinger of an economic meltdown.)
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Plus the tax, finance charge, etc.. No matter how we spin it, the new M2 is no longer the affordable entry into M cars it once was. When inflation comes down, these prices will likely remain the same. That tells me greed is in the drivers seat and run amok.
Where is the greed? The G87 auto is actually cheaper than F87 auto with sunroof.

Greed is expecting BMW to offer all these new options for free.
Then go ahead and pay BMW what they ask. I'm not paying $80k plus for a base M2 after tax and finance costs, which will be around the price as most enthusiasts will want the nice Carbon bits. Who wants a base model in base form? Not many. If I have to do that I'd rather look elsewhere and get a car the way I want within my budget.

BMW bundled the seats instead of offering them separately, forcing buyers to pick all or nothing. If you don't mind then pony up. If you were talking about the CS or even the Competition model maybe, but $80k for a base M2?

No sir.
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Touché lol.
I'll rephrase: my salary didn't get inflated at the same rate. Maybe it's time to change my field of work but I love what I do.
Time to just change how you do it and who you do it for.

I was recruited during COVID to work on chips for a different company and my base went up by 25% and total compensation went up by more than that.

Time for the big move.
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