[Tag]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Curb weight

2023 M2 3814 to 3867, depending on transmission

2023 M4 RWD 3830
2023 M4 Comp RWD 3880
2023 M4 Comp xDrive 3979

It's even worse when you factor that the M2 has a smaller fuel tank.

M2 fuel tank capacity: 13.7
M3/4 fuel tank capacity: 15.6

Approximate weight of 1 gallon of gasoline: ~6lbs
6 x 1.9 = 11.4lbs

If the US weight for an M2 is with a full tank that was the same size as an M3/4 it would weigh roughly 3,825 lbs.

[StickyPickle]

Again, there have been plenty of examples showing the G80/82 weighs less than what BMW advertises. I’d be shocked if a G87 spec’d with a MT and CF roof weighs around 3,800lbs. I’m thinking around 3,700 range give or take 25lbs. It also got screwed with getting cast wheels so getting a set of forged will shave off another 30-40lbs.

As silly as it sounds, people really need to stop pointing out BMWUSA’s press specs on vehicle weight when it’s been proven incorrect time and time again.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by Tag

It's even worse when you factor that the M2 has a smaller fuel tank.

M2 fuel tank capacity: 13.7
M3/4 fuel tank capacity: 15.6

Approximate weight of 1 gallon of gasoline: ~6lbs
6 x 1.9 = 11.4lbs

If the US weight for an M2 is with a full tank that was the same size as an M3/4 it would weigh roughly 3,825 lbs.

Sounds about right considering the press release has them as the same unladen weight with the curb weight being lower, on the m2 the difference pretty much all being the smaller load of fuel.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by StickyPickle

Again, there have been plenty of examples showing the G80/82 weighs less than what BMW advertises. I’d be shocked if a G87 spec’d with a MT and CF roof weighs around 3,800lbs. I’m thinking around 3,700 range give or take 25lbs. It also got screwed with getting cast wheels so getting a set of forged will shave off another 30-40lbs.

As silly as it sounds, people really need to stop pointing out BMWUSA’s press specs on vehicle weight when it’s been proven incorrect time and time again.

IMO the press specs are useful and accurate for showing comparisons between BMW vehicles, (i.e. to dispel the notion that the f87 m2 was lighter than the f82 m4).

Comparing to other brand's cars or independent measurements, not so much.

[GregW / Oregon]

From Road and Track, 10/11/22:

"Weight is another big piece of news for the M2. With the manual curb weight comes in at 3814 pounds—about 200 pounds heavier than the outgoing M2 Competition. Add another 53 pounds if you spec the automatic. For M's smallest car, that's a whole lot of heft to carry around, even for something so modern. For more context, the 2023 M2 is about 200 pounds heavier than an E92-generation M3. It's also somehow just 16 pounds lighter than the bigger, more powerful, more spacious M4, going by BMW's own official curb weight numbers. BMW says a carbon-fiber roof is available as an option, but doesn't say how much weight can be saved when it's added."

Weight comparisons on vehicles are always confusing unless you know you are truly getting apples to apples. The 1700 kg roosterdentures listed above is 3,748 lb. I believe the weight savings for the CF roof vs. steel/moonroof on the F80 is about 44 lb.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by Roosterdentures

IMO the press specs are useful and accurate for showing comparisons between BMW vehicles, (i.e. to dispel the notion that the f87 m2 was lighter than the f82 m4).

Comparing to other brand's cars or independent measurements, not so much.

Oh I agree with that. I’m just talking about other posters referring to it as gospel so they can complain about how much it weighs when it’s very likely going to weigh less than stated.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

From Road and Track, 10/11/22:

"Weight is another big piece of news for the M2. With the manual curb weight comes in at 3814 pounds—about 200 pounds heavier than the outgoing M2 Competition. Add another 53 pounds if you spec the automatic. For M's smallest car, that's a whole lot of heft to carry around, even for something so modern. For more context, the 2023 M2 is about 200 pounds heavier than an E92-generation M3. It's also somehow just 16 pounds lighter than the bigger, more powerful, more spacious M4, going by BMW's own official curb weight numbers. BMW says a carbon-fiber roof is available as an option, but doesn't say how much weight can be saved when it's added."

Weight comparisons on vehicles are always confusing unless you know you are truly getting apples to apples. The 1700 kg roosterdentures listed above is 3,748 lb. I believe the weight savings for the CF roof vs. steel/moonroof on the F80 is about 44 lb.

Curb weight includes fluids I believe, the DIN unladen weight referenced in the press materials is without fluids. But yes, I think the weight differential for sunroof vs carbon roof is in the ballpark of 30-40 lbs. Plus another ~30-40lbs of savings if you switch to forged wheels. Not sure what the seat weight savings are for the carbon seats. Apparently aftermarket batteries can be lighter as well, that's about all the easy weight savings but should net you close to 100lbs.

[StickyPickle]

Originally Posted by Roosterdentures

Curb weight includes fluids I believe, the DIN unladen weight referenced in the press materials is without fluids. But yes, I think the weight differential for sunroof vs carbon roof is in the ballpark of 30-40 lbs. Plus another ~30-40lbs of savings if you switch to forged wheels. Not sure what the seat weight savings are for the carbon seats. Apparently aftermarket batteries can be lighter as well, that's about all the easy weight savings but should net you close to 100lbs.

Yup and here’s someone who weighed their G42 M240 Xdrive w/ a full tank and it’s 3,814lbs, BMW lists the curb weight at 3,871lbs. I’m confident we’re going to see something along the same lines with the M2.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=29709564

[DrJLag420]

Manual.

I’ll use my M240 as my daily. Will keep it when I get the M2. But it does feel a bit numb driving the M240. Sport+ is pretty sick though when you get on it and do some paddle shifting. Something about driving an auto and mashing the peddle, smacking on those paddles. It’s different, but just not as engaging for me. I rarely use the paddles. Just let the robot shift for me. When I get in one of my other manual cars, I feel at home. Like warm apple pie…And I don’t seem to be speeding nearly as much to get the same engagement as when I drive my M240. But man, the M240 is sneaky fast. Could be due to the auto and not being as engaging. Could also be that freight train B58. Or BOTH!

As someone mentioned in this thread, it’s too bad BMW doesn’t put a manny in the M240 or the 230. Either way, I would buy the M2. I always strive to get the top performance model cuz I’m a label whore and I currently have the means to afford it. I find myself very fortunate to even be able to afford an M2.

Watch me get the M2 and then an M2C is released. If it’s auto only (like the M3C/M4C), I’d probably pass and stick with the M2. But would have to see and drive it to convince me of an upgrade. Test drives seem to be a thing of the past. Hell, getting a new car is difficult enough. I don’t need more than 400 hp anyway, but I do chase and want it. Hence the interest in procuring an M2.

What will I do if such a G87 M2C becomes a reality? Stay tuned…

For the weight thing, the M240 is a hog, but hides it well. BMW did a fabulous job. I feel it going through hard fast corners, but it’s predictable and surprisingly easy to control. The steering leaves a bit to be desired as others have mentioned in the M240 subforums. But it does the job. Turn right, car goes right. Turn left, car goes left. The brakes do feel a bit underwhelming at times (I don’t have the Cooling & Performance Package), but my reference point is based on much lighter cars with better brakes in most cases. Hopefully, the steering and brakes are much better on the M2.

I expect nothing less in performance/feel from the M2 even though it’s almost pushing 4000 lbs (based on those early reviews we saw on the track, the driver’s were very impressed with handling although they really didn’t get to push it too hard with the pace car in front). I guess I could lose about 30-40 lbs, but I like to eat. I’ll just tick the CF roof and call it even. If I wasn’t worried about getting in and out of the CF seats, I’d tick the CF package. But I won’t be at the track often enough to offset the inconvenience of getting in and out of the car in my garage (and any other tight spots).

I’m done typing now and for those that scrolled through and rolled their eyes:

I’m getting a manual G87 M2 for me!
Not for my wife.
Not for my girlfriends.

FOR ME!

[zero21]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

Curb weight

2023 M2 3814 to 3867, depending on transmission

2023 M4 RWD 3830
2023 M4 Comp RWD 3880
2023 M4 Comp xDrive 3979

Is that the standard sunroof model? If folks on here are buying carbon roofs you can take off 48lbs. Another 25 combined for the carbon seats. So manual with carbon bits is actually about 3740 give or take.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by zero21

Is that the standard sunroof model? If folks on here are buying carbon roofs you can take off 48lbs. Another 25 combined for the carbon seats. So manual with carbon bits is actually about 3740 give or take.

It doesn't say buy if I had to guess, I would say its tge standard "build" which is with the sunroof.

When I ditch the cast rims and replace with aluminum forged rims at ~14lbs each, that will save even more weight.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

It doesn't say buy if I had to guess, I would say its tge standard "build" which is with the sunroof.

When I ditch the cast rims and replace with aluminum forged rims at ~14lbs each, that will save even more weight.

19 and 20in forged wheels weigh 20-22lbs for the lightest models. Fitting 18's will be possible but even those are 19-20.

Are you saying your rims weigh 14lbs, or you'll be saving 14lbs/corner? If so, doubtful stock wheels are 34-36lbs/ea.

[CodeSlinger]

Originally Posted by zero21

19 and 20in forged wheels weigh 20-22lbs for the lightest models. Fitting 18's will be possible but even those are 19-20.

Are you saying your rims weigh 14lbs, or you'll be saving 14lbs/corner? If so, doubtful stock wheels are 34-36lbs/ea.

Per previous discussion, the cast 19inch wheels on the m3/m4 are 33.1lbs. The 20 inch rears on the m2 will be a bit heavier than that. Average delta of ~14lbs per rim seems possible if you get the lightest wheels you can find.

Link

[zero21]

Originally Posted by Roosterdentures

Per previous discussion, the cast 19inch wheels on the m3/m4 are 33.1lbs. The 20 inch rears on the m2 will be a bit heavier than that. Average delta of ~14lbs per rim seems possible if you get the lightest wheels you can find.

Link

Appreciate the links and info. That is shocking for a 19in wheel!

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by zero21

19 and 20in forged wheels weigh 20-22lbs for the lightest models. Fitting 18's will be possible but even those are 19-20.

Are you saying your rims weigh 14lbs, or you'll be saving 14lbs/corner? If so, doubtful stock wheels are 34-36lbs/ea.

I was talking about saving per rim (and an approximate as I dont know the exact weight of the cast).

I am looking at Litespeed and Vossen which is what I based my calculations on.

[M Division]

My car is my daily city car so it's auto for me unfortunately. But I do have an R34 GT-R for weekend stick shifting so don't feel to sorry 😐

[zero21]

For the US specification vehicle, BMW's own website claims adding the carbon roof removes precisely 48lbs from the top of the car. If you take the 1700kg curb weight listed, and subtract the 48lbs from the carbon roof, you get a total of 3692lbs for the best spec without carbon package. That package will subtract another 11kg (24.2lbs) equalling 3668.

I'm not sure how anyone else is getting numbers, but this is pretty straight forward.

If you add in the optional forged wheels at -10lb/corner - you're looking at 3628 ready to go. That's a good chunk different to 3800lbs everyone is griping about.

Did I hit every point?

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by zero21

If you add in the optional forged wheels at -10lb/corner - you're looking at 3628 ready to go. That's a good chunk different to 3800lbs everyone is griping about.

You're talking about aftermarket, right? I'm not aware of factory forged wheel option (wish there was).

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

You're talking about aftermarket, right? I'm not aware of factory forged wheel option (wish there was).

Aren't the M performance ones forged?

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Aren't the M performance ones forged?

The wheels that come with the car are cast.

The 763M from the M Performance Parts (at $6,000+) are forged.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

The wheels that come with the car are cast.

The 763M from the M Performance Parts (at $6,000+) are forged.

Yes that's what I'm talking about. The ones they had on with the other m performance. Also saw 1000m and said those were forged as well

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Yes that's what I'm talking about. The ones they had on with the other m performance. Also saw 1000m and said those were forged as well

Do we know if M Performance parts are to be available factory installed, or aftersale only?