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      07-24-2021, 10:18 PM   #265
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I'm not saying there isn't a single person who likes the car. If a dealer only has one car it only takes one person who likes it with money to have the dealership sold out.
How does one gauge demand when the current inventory is at much lower levels than normal. Between my two dealers in my city they have one M-vehicle in stock, a X6M. Do we have actual production numbers to compare to past generations? If not, nothing can be judged.
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That one isn’t bad - just don’t understand the rationale behind the headlight design.
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Front looks aggressive , the rear lights still look hideous…
I’m trying to figure out what it is, but this rendering looks soft to me - much like the new M4, curvy, but not in a good way.
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I like this one
That one isn't bad - just don't understand the rationale behind the headlight design.
It's not my idea of a dream come true

But I am doing my best to wrap my head around them And quite frankly I hate to say it but they're actually starting to grow on me
The taillights I don't like at all
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Yeah not a fan of the tails either but I could live with them if the front was more cohesive.
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I put a deposit down at my dealership 8 months ago for the G87 when I heard it would have 440hp+ and the S58 engine. Now that I've seen the M240i and this M2 front bumper, I can tell it's going to be sexy as fuck. No offense but I think a lot of people complaining here might be part of the older crowd who have owned several gens of BMW's. Change is a constant, just gotta get on with the times. I think the beaver grilles will grow on people too, from the pictures I've seen it looks super aggressive and a lot better than last gen.

I saw the same reaction when corvette announced the C8, the older crowd was furious.. fast forward to now and it's the hottest car in the used market.
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It's growing on me a touch. I'm not disgusted by this one like I was the G80 but I'm still not wowed. Maybe once it's out in the open and seeing it in person I'll love it. This time I'm waiting for the LCI or CS edition before I take the plunge though.
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You'd be wrong.
Have any numbers to back that up?
I'm using the same hyperbole and anecdotal evidence the detractors are using. The detractors say, "ZOMG! These cars are just sitting on dealership lots. Nobody is buying them."

My local dealerships all throughout California can't even keep them in stock and are selling them above sticker all day long. People on the forums have issues obtaining allocations, and when somebody claims dealership ABC has X amount of cars on the lot (…usually basing that on internet sites that also tally in sold cars), I call and the dealership actually has none…..or maybe one.

So which is it? Are they selling or aren't they?!?!

The detractors will argue, "Well it's a chip shortage. Every car is selling with/without a mark-up. That doesn't mean the car is any good." I would challenge them to show me a large sample size of people who can just fuck off $80k+ on a car they don't like……and pay above sticker for it on top of that. It's just ridiculous. A person doesn't have to buy a G8X. They could spend that money elsewhere. They buy it because they like it.
I walked into the Porsche dealership and they only had a single sports car on the lot, boxter 4 cylinder in black with a MT. Everything fun is sold out everywhere. There is very little supply. It's not hard for demand to be higher than the supply when they only build a handful of cars.

Let's wait and see what happens when more than a trickle of sports cars are coming out of Germany. I mean new cars are so rare that used cars are just as expensive as new cars!!!
That's besides the point. People still aren't generally going to piss away money on something they don't like. You're not going to buy food, date someone, etc. that you don't enjoy.
People keep telling me I secretly hate a car I spent $93k on. It's disconcerting.
And some people marry folks that end up killing them. Not everyone makes good decisions.
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And some people marry folks that end up killing them. Not everyone makes good decisions.
It’s already pretty fun watching the haters meltdown at the sales numbers now and I predict that these sales numbers of the RWD will be nothing compared to what the AWD will be. Is it wrong for me to thoroughly enjoy watching the haters meltdown as sales do nothing but skyrocket on this G8X? The RWD G8Xs have already demolished the F8X sales during the same time period. All of this and I have been told I missed the real hate that came on this forum six months ago. Oh well. Keep it going.
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if this is indeed what it will be (obviously this is a render so probably not exactly), it is definitely MUCH nicer looking than the m240. I am not mad at it, with the right color it will be a nice looking car.

It looks very Japanese from the back and kind of like an audi from the front.
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You'd be wrong.
Have any numbers to back that up?
I'm using the same hyperbole and anecdotal evidence the detractors are using. The detractors say, "ZOMG! These cars are just sitting on dealership lots. Nobody is buying them."

My local dealerships all throughout California can't even keep them in stock and are selling them above sticker all day long. People on the forums have issues obtaining allocations, and when somebody claims dealership ABC has X amount of cars on the lot (…usually basing that on internet sites that also tally in sold cars), I call and the dealership actually has none…..or maybe one.

So which is it? Are they selling or aren't they?!?!

The detractors will argue, "Well it's a chip shortage. Every car is selling with/without a mark-up. That doesn't mean the car is any good." I would challenge them to show me a large sample size of people who can just fuck off $80k+ on a car they don't like……and pay above sticker for it on top of that. It's just ridiculous. A person doesn't have to buy a G8X. They could spend that money elsewhere. They buy it because they like it.
I walked into the Porsche dealership and they only had a single sports car on the lot, boxter 4 cylinder in black with a MT. Everything fun is sold out everywhere. There is very little supply. It's not hard for demand to be higher than the supply when they only build a handful of cars.

Let's wait and see what happens when more than a trickle of sports cars are coming out of Germany. I mean new cars are so rare that used cars are just as expensive as new cars!!!
That's besides the point. People still aren't generally going to piss away money on something they don't like. You're not going to buy food, date someone, etc. that you don't enjoy.
People keep telling me I secretly hate a car I spent $93k on. It's disconcerting.
And some people marry folks that end up killing them. Not everyone makes good decisions.
This is probably the most ridiculous parallel I've seen attempted yet.
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These renders look amazing.I don’t get the hate for the rear taillights.They look good to me.People also beat up the design of the original F87 taillights but IMO they look way better than the LCI ones.With lemetier saying the leaked bumper pic isn’t the G87 bumper than maybe we will get something similar to this.
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That one isn’t bad - just don’t understand the rationale behind the headlight design.
Agreed. OG headlights FTW
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And some people marry folks that end up killing them. Not everyone makes good decisions.
It's already pretty fun watching the haters meltdown at the sales numbers now and I predict that these sales numbers of the RWD will be nothing compared to what the AWD will be. Is it wrong for me to thoroughly enjoy watching the haters meltdown as sales do nothing but skyrocket on this G8X? The RWD G8Xs have already demolished the F8X sales during the same time period. All of this and I have been told I missed the real hate that came on this forum six months ago. Oh well. Keep it going.
People melting down is all in your head, for some reason that's a story you like.

Bring on the sales numbers.
We'll know how the G8X is tracking in a few years, but once BMW posts their quarterly numbers, I'm sure both sides of the aisle will have a lot to say.
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We'll know how the G8X is tracking in a few years, but once BMW posts their quarterly numbers, I'm sure both sides of the aisle will have a lot to say.
I am actually more interested at how BMW's new vertical large grill EV sales compares to the competition. I don't have high hopes for them.
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You'd be wrong.
Have any numbers to back that up?
I'm using the same hyperbole and anecdotal evidence the detractors are using. The detractors say, "ZOMG! These cars are just sitting on dealership lots. Nobody is buying them."

My local dealerships all throughout California can't even keep them in stock and are selling them above sticker all day long. People on the forums have issues obtaining allocations, and when somebody claims dealership ABC has X amount of cars on the lot (…usually basing that on internet sites that also tally in sold cars), I call and the dealership actually has none…..or maybe one.

So which is it? Are they selling or aren't they?!?!

The detractors will argue, "Well it's a chip shortage. Every car is selling with/without a mark-up. That doesn't mean the car is any good." I would challenge them to show me a large sample size of people who can just fuck off $80k+ on a car they don't like……and pay above sticker for it on top of that. It's just ridiculous. A person doesn't have to buy a G8X. They could spend that money elsewhere. They buy it because they like it.
I walked into the Porsche dealership and they only had a single sports car on the lot, boxter 4 cylinder in black with a MT. Everything fun is sold out everywhere. There is very little supply. It's not hard for demand to be higher than the supply when they only build a handful of cars.

Let's wait and see what happens when more than a trickle of sports cars are coming out of Germany. I mean new cars are so rare that used cars are just as expensive as new cars!!!
That's besides the point. People still aren't generally going to piss away money on something they don't like. You're not going to buy food, date someone, etc. that you don't enjoy.
People keep telling me I secretly hate a car I spent $93k on. It's disconcerting.
And some people marry folks that end up killing them. Not everyone makes good decisions.
Well said. If I end up turning on the car and growing to dislike it I'll circle back here.
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You are the worst of us. You assume (incorrectly) that because you do not like something, it is impossible for others to have a contrary opinion. I respect your right to dislike the G80 and can understand why. You do not think it's possible to have a contrary opinion and assume I'm lying to myself to convince myself to like a $93k car that I secretly/subconsciously find ugly. That is a species of narcissism rarely seen.

I love the car. Here's my CS next to my G80, and I'll take my G80 every time.

I'd personally take your M3 CS. The g80 has this "hey look at me" vibe and the color choice adds to that. The CS is elegant, refined, aggressive, muscular- it just flows and works.

The performance, technology and interior of the g80 is super attractive though for sure.
I appreciate that, a willingness to have differing perspectives without one of us calling the other "wrong."

I appreciate bright colors. Not every does. That's ok too.

I still have yet to decide if I'm actually selling my CS. I do love the car with all my heart. It is the very best of a great chassis. If it was manual I would certainly keep it forever,
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All it takes is one person to say..."I don't like it, but it looks better than the G80/82".

Then here comes the brigade.
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All it takes is one person to say..."I don't like it, but it looks better than the G80/82".

Then here comes the brigade.
I don't like the G80/82 design at all, and I had an F80 ZCP. That's ok, they decided to make a drastic change, it just doesn't work for me.

Actually went by my local dealer today (I like going on Sunday, when there's no sales guys to bother me) and saw my first G82 in person (I've seen the G80 a few times in the flesh). I looked at that thing from every possible angle, and it just doesn't do it for me. It looks a lot bigger than the previous gen, which isn't my cup of tea, and then the grill remains polarizing from my perspective.

With that being said, and having owned / leased 8 BMWs, I have "moved on" if that makes sense. This design language / ever increasing size are obviously the way forward, for at least some of the different series cars. I don't want one, any least what's out there for new purchase at the moment, but I don't begrudge anyone who does. It's sort of like preferring brunettes over blondes.

In any event, I think the F80 and F87 are two of the best looking Bimmers to come out in a while, and perhaps that's why you see such a strong reaction with the new G series cars and what folks think the next M2 might look like. The M2, in particular, is essentially the M3 of old, so I get why it matters to folks. Regardless of where someone lands on the spectrum, it's fun to debate back and forth, as long as that debate remains good natured and not personal in nature. Seems to be a lot of that around here lately, the uncivil stuff.
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