Upgraded turbos and the new e63

Snaggletooth · 06-16-2013, 09:28 PM

A person who isn't me recently ran his FBO+ Meth + Stage 1 turbos 19psi against a 2011 E63. The FBO 3er beat it by a car length before shutting down in 4th gear.

cleex024 · 06-16-2013, 09:35 PM

These aren't supposed to be any stronger than stock turbos

Vicko · 06-16-2013, 09:42 PM

I beat a c63 on stock turbos FBO race/pump mix three times in a row. No need for upgrade turbos.

Tony@vargasturbotech · 06-16-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cleex024

These aren't supposed to be any stronger than stock turbos

According to who? The naysayers who said stage 1's were a failure and would lose hp before they were even tested. The guys at PTF did all they could to break a set including running them up to 28 psi and holding them to 21 psi at redline, they never gave it up. This was while making big numbers with them. It's becoming very clear the stage 1's are a good choice for an upgrade at a near stock price, if you don't need or want every last horsepower from the N54.

Snaggletooth · 06-16-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vargasturbotech

According to who? The naysayers who said stage 1's were a failure and would lose hp before they were even tested. The guys at PTF did all they could to break a set including running them up to 28 psi and holding them to 21 psi at redline, they never gave it up. This was while making big numbers with them. It's becoming very clear the stage 1's are a good choice for an upgrade at a near stock price, if you don't need or want every last horsepower from the N54.

This was the reasoning SWIM followed when buying the stage 1's. Stock turbos take a dump? Why not upgrade 'em for close to the OEM price? 19psi is not what a stock TD03 is happy making, guys. The stage 1's obviously are NOT stock.

Any doubts, I'm sure someone who owns a stage 1 vargas car would be game to line up.

E90Company · 06-16-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicko

I beat a c63 on stock turbos FBO race/pump mix three times in a row. No need for upgrade turbos.

An E63 is a lot different, it's a turbo V8 that traps 125-128 tune only.

Vicko · 06-16-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by E90Company

An E63 is a lot different, it's a turbo V8 that traps 125-128 tune only.

Ups! Right. My bad.

JStang · 06-16-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Snaggletooth

A person who isn't me recently ran his FBO+ Meth + VTT Stage 1's 19psi against a 2011 E63. The FBO 3er beat it by a car length before shutting down in 4th gear. Long story short, a pair of budget turbos will get you into the big boys club.

Props to Vargas for making a MEAN pair of turbos on the cheap.

Does anyone have dyno results with VTT 1's at this time?

Snaggletooth · 06-16-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JStang

Does anyone have dyno results with VTT 1's at this time?

I will eventually, stay posted.

cleex024 · 06-16-2013, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vargasturbotech

According to who? The naysayers who said stage 1's were a failure and would lose hp before they were even tested. The guys at PTF did all they could to break a set including running them up to 28 psi and holding them to 21 psi at redline, they never gave it up. This was while making big numbers with them. It's becoming very clear the stage 1's are a good choice for an upgrade at a near stock price, if you don't need or want every last horsepower from the N54.

so i dont get it...can we continue to run those stg 1s at like 25psi all the time? also the stg 2s should be able to handle 25psi too then right?

Dr. G · 06-17-2013, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cleex024

so i dont get it...can we continue to run those stg 1s at like 25psi all the time? also the stg 2s should be able to handle 25psi too then right?

Prepare for a no

cleex024 · 06-17-2013, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. G

Prepare for a no

So then I don't get it... why would he come out saying that he can run 25psi no problem with his stg 1s... besides being a little stronger than stock which in turn just makes them last longer. ..but how well this make more power than stock?

Wedge1967 · 06-17-2013, 12:44 AM

Sorry to bust anyones bubble, but a C63 is no joke, until it goes up against a FBO 335 running 100% e85 with 100% Meth... Please Note: This is a stock C63 that I took advantage of.

Dr. G · 06-17-2013, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cleex024

So then I don't get it... why would he come out saying that he can run 25psi no problem with his stg 1s... besides being a little stronger than stock which in turn just makes them last longer. ..but how well this make more power than stock?

I really wish I knew the answer to that lol, I guess he can answer.
It's just been too long for me to keep paying attention and the whole secret society type attitude just made me stop really caring about them. Have the stg 1's put up any dynos?

135iDCT · 06-17-2013, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Sorry to bust anyones bubble, but a C63 is no joke, until it goes up against a FBO 335 running 100% e85 with 100% Meth... Please Note: This is a stock C63 that I took advantage of.

sure, i ran fbo c63 headers, x pipe...etc pulled about 3-4 cars on him, my car is fbo with full ms109 18.5 psi

n54 is a beast with race fuel

jippii ensio · 06-17-2013, 06:12 AM

Vargas stage 1 has 7 degrees clipped turbine wheel. If you compare dynos of your car before and after installation, you should see that the stock turbos and VTT stage 1 have similar output as far as the boost is the same and ambient temps are similar. The lag should be similar stock turbos having a slight advantage.

Oh, and 28psi peak and 21psi @ redline is insane and generates only heat rather than power.

JStang · 06-17-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Snaggletooth

I will eventually, stay posted.

SfValley335i · 06-17-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by E90Company

An E63 is a lot different, it's a turbo V8 that traps 125-128 tune only.

Im pretty sure the 2011 e63 were na motors just like the c63. The new ones 2013 are v8 turbo.

jippii ensio · 06-17-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Im pretty sure the 2011 e63 were na motors just like the c63. The new ones 2013 are v8 turbo.

+1

Yes, it is NA. FBO N54 will handle it.

Lunatic Fringe · 06-17-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Vargas stage 1 has 7 degrees clipped turbine wheel. If you compare dynos of your car before and after installation, you should see that the stock turbos and VTT stage 1 have similar output as far as the boost is the same and ambient temps are similar. The lag should be similar stock turbos having a slight advantage.

Oh, and 28psi peak and 21psi @ redline is insane and generates only heat rather than power.

+1. Not sure why you guys are hell-bent on spinning the shit out of your turbos. The marginal gains in power are simply not worth it IMHO.

JStang · 06-17-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lunatic Fringe

+1. Not sure why you guys are hell-bent on spinning the shit out of your turbos. The marginal gains in power are simply not worth it IMHO.

I'm pretty sure they did it to see what they could hold. I don't think they have any intentions of running 28 psi.

E90Company · 06-17-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Im pretty sure the 2011 e63 were na motors just like the c63. The new ones 2013 are v8 turbo.

Your right. I didn't realize it was 11.

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jippii ensio Major 71 Rep 1,432 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: On the road iTrader: (0)	Vargas stage 1 has 7 degrees clipped turbine wheel. If you compare dynos of your car before and after installation, you should see that the stock turbos and VTT stage 1 have similar output as far as the boost is the same and ambient temps are similar. The lag should be similar stock turbos having a slight advantage. Oh, and 28psi peak and 21psi @ redline is insane and generates only heat rather than power.
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