[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by aerobod

2020 M2 CSs with about 20,000Km (12,000 miles) are selling for about 85% of the original on-the-road price in Canada at the moment.

The M2Cs in Canada are basically selling for 80-90% of MSRP as well. With the ton of G87s on dealer lots I would have though the values would have taken a hit.

[DailyDownshift]

Originally Posted by Tag

For comparison the F87 M2 CS was 4.72 slower with the same driver.

Rank \ Vehicle \ Driver \ Time

150. \ BMW M2 CS (F87) \ Christian Gebhardt \ 7:42.99

Wow. That's so impressive when you think about the weight difference between the two cars. Imagine how much faster the G87 could be with some simple weight saving mods!!

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I doubt that very much with how the actual value of F87s dropping like flies. For shits and giggles, I looked at Carvana for what I could sell my old F87C (2020, 25K miles) would be, $32K. Yes, $32K is what they would pay for it. I looked at Bring a Trailer to get actual sold values, low mileage M2 Comps are in the mid $45K and non Comp models are in the low to mid $33K. It's called a reality check, the G87 made the F87 values plummet.

This is highly exaggerated. Carvana won't give me even one dollar for a perfectly running 2010 Mazda 3 6MT with 130k miles btw.

GEICO appraised and paid out 60,300 to me for a 11k mile completely stock F87 M2C totaled 30 days ago. I don't see low mileage 6MT M2C selling on normal platforms (not BaT) for mid 40s at all. Low mileage <25k and clean Carfax are solidly in the low-mid 50s.

[Track/S]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I doubt that very much with how the actual value of F87s dropping like flies. For shits and giggles, I looked at Carvana for what I could sell my old F87C (2020, 25K miles) would be, $32K. Yes, $32K is what they would pay for it. I looked at Bring a Trailer to get actual sold values, low mileage M2 Comps are in the mid $45K and non Comp models are in the low to mid $33K. It's called a reality check, the G87 made the F87 values plummet.

Instead of worrying about the prices, you should enjoy the car.

[ASAP]

very solid results and again just goes back to how much better the G series chassis is sorted... an F87 on a track this bumpy is all over the place

[kiysersosae]

Both cars are very evenly matched, if you look at lap times from other comparisons it’s a second either way on various tracks, not to mention the M2CS won Ecoty.

However, the new M2 is no doubt impressive and a CS will be even more impressive. I’d love to have the new M2, but only if they had taken the body from the old and put it on the current M2 Chassis.

I think my M3 CS beats them both mind 😬😁

If only Mercedes F1 team had some BMW engineers

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by ASAP

very solid results and again just goes back to how much better the G series chassis is sorted... an F87 on a track this bumpy is all over the place

I’m sure that’s why Chris Harris swapped out the suspension straight away on his M2CS, for the Bilstien B12 I think it was.

[Autobahn SoCal]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

So interesting.

Remember all of the G87 haters who had convinced themselves that the F87Comp (and certainly F87 CS) would be faster, handle better and be more capable on a track? As a former F87 and now G87 owner, I can say, that was bunk, as this test confirms!

Where are they now?

Crickets .....

They were just trying to hold onto residuals that’s all, I can appreciate that I guess. The problem is the G87 is objectively better regardless of opinions.

[Sedan_Clan]

Really impressive time for the G87.

[adc]

I just don’t get why you guys think this is a great time. It’s slower than an M4 RWD, which to me seems to indicate that a longer wheelbase works better on the G chassis.

Everyone seems so smug, but there is absolutely no progress compared to an M3 or M4. Not faster, not lighter. If so then what’s the point?

Those internet race jockeys comparing its time with the F87 M2CS will always have a hard time understanding the importance of tires. Each new generation of tire is 5 - 10 seconds faster than the previous one. Put them on the same tires and the difference evaporates.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by adc

I just don’t get why you guys think this is a great time. It’s slower than an M4 RWD, which to me seems to indicate that a longer wheelbase works better on the G chassis.

Everyone seems so smug, but there is absolutely no progress compared to an M3 or M4. Not faster, not lighter. If so then what’s the point?

Those internet race jockeys comparing its time with the F87 M2CS will always have a hard time understanding the importance of tires. Each new generation of tire is 5 - 10 seconds faster than the previous one. Put them on the same tires and the difference evaporates.

its 15 k cheaper tho... 20 less hp... doesnt an m2 also wear narrower tires than an m4? Longer chassis will always fare better on a track w longer straights and turns... i would argue the m2 is a value even if the m4 is a better car... its a major upgrade to the prior gen m2 comp I had which was nearly impossible to drive fast due to how unstable it was

[Ilyam5]

M4 rwd tested was competition with more torque. I do not remember seeing m4 manual time which would be similar torque to m2

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by adc

I just don’t get why you guys think this is a great time. It’s slower than an M4 RWD, which to me seems to indicate that a longer wheelbase works better on the G chassis.

Everyone seems so smug, but there is absolutely no progress compared to an M3 or M4. Not faster, not lighter. If so then what’s the point?

Those internet race jockeys comparing its time with the F87 M2CS will always have a hard time understanding the importance of tires. Each new generation of tire is 5 - 10 seconds faster than the previous one. Put them on the same tires and the difference evaporates.

Originally Posted by ASAP

its 15 k cheaper tho... 20 less hp... doesnt an m2 also wear narrower tires than an m4? Longer chassis will always fare better on a track w longer straights and turns... i would argue the m2 is a value even if the m4 is a better car... its a major upgrade to the prior gen m2 comp I had which was nearly impossible to drive fast due to how unstable it was

Tires are the same across the G8X generation...a change from the F8X, where the 87s wore narrower rubber. I too am a little surprised the car wasn't faster. I'll agree that the newer tires result in faster speed, especially tires engineered for the chassis as the cups are for the Euro spec cars (we don't get them here outside of CS/CSL). I'll not wade too far into the fanboy f**kfest. I've had an M2C and have driven both on track and both on the Ring. The new car is superior - even if it weighs nearly 2 tons and is made in Mexico. Having said that, it lacks the silly factor of the original. You can't measure that, but you sure as hell can feel it.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by adc

I just don’t get why you guys think this is a great time. It’s slower than an M4 RWD, which to me seems to indicate that a longer wheelbase works better on the G chassis.

Everyone seems so smug, but there is absolutely no progress compared to an M3 or M4. Not faster, not lighter. If so then what’s the point?

Those internet race jockeys comparing its time with the F87 M2CS will always have a hard time understanding the importance of tires. Each new generation of tire is 5 - 10 seconds faster than the previous one. Put them on the same tires and the difference evaporates.

Are you saying the F87 OG M2 was faster than the M3 when it came out? I’m lazy to go look for figures but somehow I doubt that.

[baron95]

Originally Posted by adc

I just don’t get why you guys think this is a great time. It’s slower than an M4 RWD, which to me seems to indicate that a longer wheelbase works better on the G chassis.

Everyone seems so smug, but there is absolutely no progress compared to an M3 or M4. Not faster, not lighter. If so then what’s the point?

The point is that for $15K less you can have basically the same performance as an M4 (non comp).

The point is that for $15K less you can have a car that looks much more unique with it's long hood/short deck than the M4.

The point is that for $15K less, you can have a car that is more dynamic in tight corners.

And if you choose to you can buy take off M3/M4 wheels to save ~20lbs rotating/unsprung weight for less than $1,000. You can replace the lead battery for a LiION one like in the M2 for ~$1,000 and save 40 lbs.

But guess what?

Choice is great. We can get a G87, G82, G80, G81, G83, they are all great cars, each slightly more suitable to one thing or the other.

But out of all of them, only one is much less expensive than the others.

And that is a great point.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by baron95

The point is that for $15K less you can have basically the same performance as an M4 (non comp).

The point is that for $15K less you can have a car that looks much more unique with it's long hood/short deck than the M4.

The point is that for $15K less, you can have a car that is more dynamic in tight corners.

And if you choose to you can buy take off M3/M4 wheels to save ~20lbs rotating/unsprung weight for less than $1,000. You can replace the lead battery for a LiION one like in the M2 for ~$1,000 and save 40 lbs.

But guess what?

Choice is great. We can get a G87, G82, G80, G81, G83, they are all great cars, each slightly more suitable to one thing or the other.

But out of all of them, only one is much less expensive than the others.

And that is a great point.

I don’t know, the M3/4 are pretty darn unique (err ugly) looking if you ask me.

[NotSharocks]

Yea no shit it's faster than the older one, they need to sell these things.

[Montaver]

Performance per dollar the M2 is right up there, especially when you compare it to f8x prices. You also get all the components essentially of a much more expensive car. I don’t think the weight matters that much honestly, the F87 didn’t feel light either.

[Davil]

Very amusing. I test drive an OG M2 in 2017. I test drove a G82 when it came out.

The G82 was so much faster, so much better handling. But it held all the driver engagement of a PS2.

That OG M2 was quite the thing. A little raucous angry beast. Feisty. Faster than you’d need. A bit crazy.

Pub stats Nurburgring times guys will never understand it is all about how it makes you feel.

The G series is comfortably numb. What an end to the “ultimate driving machine”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrOQC-zEog

[hotrod182]

It's hard to believe a 5000lb Taycan Turbo S GT ran a 7:07 lap time.

[M2CSDaily]

Always funny to see discussions about ring lap times, and people celebrating a 1% difference as if it matters. I cancelled my g87 order and bought a more expensive m2 cs for many reasons. The car is very fast for my use, looks amazing, extremely fun to drive, and i certainly don’t need anything with more performance. Buy whatever you like, but if you really care about ring lap times, there are many faster cars than an m2.

[F80DK]

Originally Posted by DailyDownshift

Wow. That's so impressive when you think about the weight difference between the two cars. Imagine how much faster the G87 could be with some simple weight saving mods!!

Imagine a G87 CS(L) on Cup 2 R’s…