[azuki]

once lease ends dec 25, MY26 M2 it is. this video really shows how impressive g87 looks- pictures don't do justice.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I agree with you. I felt the same way. A bit shallow.
I guess he knew he was late to the party, so no sense in dwelling on previously discussed topics. So he just needed to give his overall impressions.

That said, are you surprised he likes the car better than the previous one, including the CS, and he’s amazed anyone could get in a F87 (OG, C, or CS) and not think the G87 is just objectively better? I think you doubted he would.

Yes, i am a little surprised.

If you watch his 1m vs f87 video, he spends the whole video talking about how much better the f87 is to the 1m, only in the last few minutes to say he prefers the 1m despite its technical inferiority because of, lets say, “intangibles.” This review felt like the exact same video, but with the last few minutes cut out.

From a review perspective, there wasn’t much presented here that couldn’t be found reading a spec sheet. Bigger engine, more powerful, yes. Adaptive dampers, better ride, yes. Improved interior, more comfortable, yes. I reserve judgement about his opinion on the manual since (I believe) all the part numbers are the same as the old one, but sure. Same with his mistake about the dual clutch being available (im sure he just misspoke).

My point being, he didn’t seem to discuss the g87s “intangibles,” which is weird bc i always saw harris as one of the few modern reviewers skilled enough to properly evaluate “intangibles,” and something his reviews are normally known for since he puts such emphasis on how a car “feels.”

(And im not sure how to say this without you getting all roidrage-y, but when ppl say the old m2 is better, they are not talking about the technical performance, but the “intangibles”)

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Yes, i am a little surprised.

If you watch his 1m vs f87 video, he spends the whole video talking about how much better the f87 is to the 1m, only in the last few minutes to say he prefers the 1m despite its technical inferiority because of, lets say, “intangibles.” This review felt like the exact same video, but with the last few minutes cut out.

From a review perspective, there wasn’t much presented here that couldn’t be found reading a spec sheet. Bigger engine, more powerful, yes. Adaptive dampers, better ride, yes. Improved interior, more comfortable, yes. I reserve judgement about his opinion on the manual since (I believe) all the part numbers are the same as the old one, but sure. Same with his mistake about the dual clutch being available (im sure he just misspoke).

My point being, he didn’t seem to discuss the g87s “intangibles,” which is weird bc i always saw harris as one of the few modern reviewers skilled enough to properly evaluate “intangibles,” and something his reviews are normally known for since he puts such emphasis on how a car “feels.”

(And im not sure how to say this without you getting all roidrage-y, but when ppl say the old m2 is better, they are not talking about the technical performance, but the “intangibles”)

Gotcha, I guess it’s dependent on who’s watching.
From my seat, I observed him speak about intangibles more so than tangibles. He didn’t talk about any particular “figure” precisely, to focus on the intangibles.

Weight: said an E30 would feel heavier
Suspension: said it’s controlled, and wheel control is like never seen before
Power: loads of torque and power (contrary to, say, TH)
Playfulness: discussed and showed how the car is fun to drive
Human interaction and ergonomic: he talks about how the connection with the clutch and the gearbox is perfect.

Again, I’m not the target audience because I know all that… some believe a figure like him more than they would a figure like me, so maybe some will listen to him.

My point remains, though: while he (and I) are absolutely correct about this being the best car in the world, all one has to do is go drive one and figure out if it fits their needs. It’s not hard to do, and much easier (and less aggravating) than conjecturing about things we’ve never seen or done based on “part numbers” and “figures on a spec sheet”.

He doesn’t touch much on the intangible of looks, but I’ve driven by older M2s, and it just makes them look tame and weak in comparison. But this is very subjective.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Gotcha, I guess it’s dependent on who’s watching.
From my seat, I observed him speak about intangibles more so than tangibles. He didn’t talk about any particular “figure” precisely, to focus on the intangibles.

Weight: said an E30 would feel heavier
Suspension: said it’s controlled, and wheel control is like never seen before
Power: loads of torque and power (contrary to, say, TH)
Playfulness: discussed and showed how the car is fun to drive
Human interaction and ergonomic: he talks about how the connection with the clutch and the gearbox is perfect.

Again, I’m not the target audience because I know all that… some believe a figure like him more than they would a figure like me, so maybe some will listen to him.

My point remains, though: while he (and I) are absolutely correct about this being the best car in the world, all one has to do is go drive one and figure out if it fits their needs. It’s not hard to do, and much easier (and less aggravating) than conjecturing about things we’ve never seen or done based on “part numbers” and “figures on a spec sheet”.

He doesn’t touch much on the intangible of looks, but I’ve driven by older M2s, and it just makes them look tame and weak in comparison. But this is very subjective.

I sum it thusly: if you want a 1m, buy an f87; if you want an m4, buy a g87. If you cant tell the difference, buy an audi.

(Also, the ferarri f355 is actually the best car in the world)

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by murderspice

I sum it thusly: if you want a 1m, buy an f87; if you want an m4, buy a g87. If you cant tell the difference, buy an audi.

(Also, the ferarri f355 is actually the best car in the world)

I don’t get it, but sure.
I didn’t know you have a F355, I meant no disrespect to your car.

[TheBingoBalls]

To sum it up, and this applicable to pretty much all recent/modern BMW’s - you can’t drive a spec sheet, you need to actually drive and experience the car to get to any rational conclusion/opinion.

[MadBimmeRad]

"Analiser"



Gotta love Chris, no pulling punches with him.

I must disagree with him on one part though; this is the best car in the world FOR NOW

I'm looking forward to the CS

[///M TOWN]

If Harris likes it, you can simply buy the car and thank him later…

He’s not wrong about those nutcrackers❕

[sacowich]

Hopefully this will convince some contrarians to give this car a try.
I enjoy driving it more so then my manual comp F80. Only thing I miss is torque on highway in 6th gear at 80mph. Now I have to be less lazy and actually downshift, but that’s ok too.

[440i6MT]

The level of self-flatulation in this thread (& others) is biblical

It reeks of a "my team scored the winning touchdown haha" homerism. If one party (f-series) had been disparaging, it's serves no greater purpose to allow your ego to take over in an anaphylactic response of self-aggrandizing in response.

Appreciate the review, appreciate your great car, and be tacitly respectful

[jmg]

The last time I watched a Chris Harris video on a road trip to Las Vegas it was his review of the G8X, which was not 100% favorable, but favorable for what mattered. Previously, I was on the fence on the G82, which I started out hating, but then coming around to it, and then buying one, in large part to Chris' positive review of what mattered to me.

Now, as I am considering what to replace the G82 with, CH releases this video... the day I am leaving for another Las Vegas road trip.

Coincidence... or kismet?

[FryCookOnVenus]

At 3:20, Harris mentions that "the seat isn't actually straight, it's offset." And if you watch the video, he seems to be sitting with his torso rotated towards the left.

Is this really the case??? And if so, is it true for the standard seats as well?

Can any owners confirm this? Seems like it would be rather unpleasant on the back for anything longer than a short trip.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by 440i6MT

The level of self-flatulation in this thread (& others) is biblical

It reeks of a "my team scored the winning touchdown haha" homerism. If one party (f-series) had been disparaging, it's serves no greater purpose to allow your ego to take over in an anaphylactic response of self-aggrandizing in response.

Appreciate the review, appreciate your great car, and be tacitly respectful

Self-flatulation

Great coinage. Does it mean what I think it means? May we flatulate on you instead of on ourselves?

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

At 3:20, Harris mentions that "the seat isn't actually straight, it's offset." And if you watch the video, he seems to be sitting with his torso rotated towards the left.

Is this really the case??? And if so, is it true for the standard seats as well?

Can any owners confirm this? Seems like it would be rather unpleasant on the back for anything longer than a short trip.

It’s an M2 “Feature”. It drove me nuts in my F87 but many other owners didn’t care or even notice. I ended up trading my M2 on an M4 a few years ago as I couldn’t stand it. (And I had 15K positive equity in the car)

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by FryCookOnVenus

At 3:20, Harris mentions that "the seat isn't actually straight, it's offset." And if you watch the video, he seems to be sitting with his torso rotated towards the left.

Is this really the case??? And if so, is it true for the standard seats as well?

Can any owners confirm this? Seems like it would be rather unpleasant on the back for anything longer than a short trip.

This has got to be a right-hand drive problem, I've heard numerous reviews mention seat position and pedal location, and all were right-hand drive reviews.

(The F87 had this problem on both left and right drive, IIRC.)

For the G87, in left-hand drive cars, the seat is not offset, and the pedal box is great.

North America got the good end of the stick this generation, we get a cheaper car, a more sane options list, and better driver ergonomics. Canada even got the slicktop, lucky bastards.

[JG13]

Originally Posted by Squidget

This has got to be a right-hand drive problem, I've heard numerous reviews mention seat position and pedal location, and all were right-hand drive reviews.

(The F87 had this problem on both left and right drive, IIRC.)

For the G87, in left-hand drive cars, the seat is not offset, and the pedal box is great.

North America got the good end of the stick this generation, we get a cheaper car, a more sane options list, and better driver ergonomics. Canada even got the slicktop, lucky bastards.

Yeah I have not noticed this issue in my LHD with carbon buckets and 6MT. I fit like a glove.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Squidget

This has got to be a right-hand drive problem, I've heard numerous reviews mention seat position and pedal location, and all were right-hand drive reviews.

(The F87 had this problem on both left and right drive, IIRC.)

For the G87, in left-hand drive cars, the seat is not offset, and the pedal box is great.

North America got the good end of the stick this generation, we get a cheaper car, a more sane options list, and better driver ergonomics. Canada even got the slicktop, lucky bastards.

I wonder if the seat is actually angled a bit in LHD models, it was that way with the F87 too. I was incredibly uncomfortable for about the first 2 weeks with my G87, lots of knee and lower back discomfort.

[G30M]

i now watched it and here's a summary

he likes the engine
he likes that it's manual
he likes the chassis and how he can drift it for days

he doesn't like anything else ("it's ok, get over it")

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by fcman

I wonder if the seat is actually angled a bit in LHD models, it was that way with the F87 too. I was incredibly uncomfortable for about the first 2 weeks with my G87, lots of knee and lower back discomfort.

I don't think so? It was one of the things I checked the first time I sat in one. If there's any lean, it's so slight as to be imperceptible.

I always get a bit of knee ache when switching daily drivers, no matter how "comfortable" it is. All I can say is that after driving a few thousand miles on an extended road trip, I found the ergonomics to be great.

[M2siast]

Geighty7 this thread made front page a couple of hours ago.

Surmise as you will

[yuzu]

The shot at 8:02 where you can see the leaves collecting in the front radiator in real time has me crackin up

[N55MUSA]

Originally Posted by murderspice

Yes, i am a little surprised.

If you watch his 1m vs f87 video, he spends the whole video talking about how much better the f87 is to the 1m, only in the last few minutes to say he prefers the 1m despite its technical inferiority because of, lets say, “intangibles.” This review felt like the exact same video, but with the last few minutes cut out.

From a review perspective, there wasn’t much presented here that couldn’t be found reading a spec sheet. Bigger engine, more powerful, yes. Adaptive dampers, better ride, yes. Improved interior, more comfortable, yes. I reserve judgement about his opinion on the manual since (I believe) all the part numbers are the same as the old one, but sure. Same with his mistake about the dual clutch being available (im sure he just misspoke).

My point being, he didn’t seem to discuss the g87s “intangibles,” which is weird bc i always saw harris as one of the few modern reviewers skilled enough to properly evaluate “intangibles,” and something his reviews are normally known for since he puts such emphasis on how a car “feels.”

(And im not sure how to say this without you getting all roidrage-y, but when ppl say the old m2 is better, they are not talking about the technical performance, but the “intangibles”)

Solid points. I am warming to the new look of the M2. For some reason something about Chris seemed off in that review. Hence I couldn’t get into it. It seems like the review was trimmed at the end.