[Masander]

Originally Posted by CP911

Quality control is not the issue. It's a matter of principle for some, including me. I won't buy a BMW made in Mexico. I have absolutely nothing against Mexico, and I know they can make a good BMW. Does not matter though. I want my premium German cars with their German price tag to be born in Germany. The BMW X being made in the USA is already pushing it for me, but I also can't be mad that they are creating jobs in my country. However, made in Mexico does nothing for me and only contributes a feeling of lost heritage and reduced brand mystique, both of which have been factors in my decision to pay double what I would otherwise need to for a set of wheels. Now, they still want me to pay double, but the product doesn't feel as special as it once did. Why would I consciously support this and spend my money on it? I just can't.

This.

Btw years ago I had a 1989 e32 730i and it said MADE IN WEST GERMANY. You dont see that so often anymore

[jwr0721]

Questioning the quality control because the vehicle is built in Mexico is absolutely the most racist thing.

[THEROK]

Originally Posted by jwr0721

Questioning the quality control because the vehicle is built in Mexico is absolutely the most racist thing.

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[SW19]

Originally Posted by jwr0721

Questioning the quality control because the vehicle is built in Mexico is absolutely the most racist thing.

He wasn’t questioning the quality control.I think the best point he made is why pay the same price for a BMW that is made in Mexico when they are paying the Mexican workers so much less in wages.A simple google search shows the average Mexican auto worker makes $3.14 an hour in wages.The average German working in an Automotive plant makes $67.14 an hour.Apparently the new USMCA deal is supposed to increase the Mexican wages to $16 an hour but Auto manufacturers can just pay a 2.5 percent US export tariff instead.

Some might argue that BMW is exploiting cheap labour in Mexico to earn more profits.I’m sure the quality of the product will be very good.It’s a brand new plant.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/17/65780...-mexican-wages

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederi...h=4df84d016b78

[BMWCompact]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Toyota: BMW, build us a Supra
BMW: Toyota, build us a 2 Series

[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/55/28...adbff7510c.jpg[/IMG]

Amen.

[BMWCompact]

Everyone's seen the Frank Stephenson review of the new 2 series?

I understand it's just one man's opinion, but given the vehicles he's had a hand in designing, he offers an interesting perspective:

[BMWCompact]

I do like the kidneys on the new 2 series, although the grille slats look like vacuum-formed plastic in the photos.

[NEfan508]

Originally Posted by THEROK

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It's not racist, early 90's my dad wanted one of the last camrys (made in Japan) before manufacturing was being done in OHIO USA, cars made in "merica" doesn't have the same quality control (massively thought back then) by Americans

Take a look at America's sports car, MUSTANG $30k-$70k (panel gaps) (orange peel) and crickety clanks after 20k miles

Full disclosure: dad was born in Akron, OH.

He felt the gold old boys would mess up Toyota's reputation for quality

In short, he was wrong the manufacturer's location means almost nothing, toyota's rep is as good as ever but I still want my luxury wrist watch's made in Switzerland, performance cars from Germany

[yanks1]

Mexico plant is state of the art & all robots and workers were developed & trained by German workers. I have zero issue with this, and cheaper labor will hopefully convince BMW to keep a lid on increase prices. They are over-priced vs what % they sell for on average 3-4 years later vs many other vehicles

[yanks1]

Originally Posted by BMWCompact

Everyone's seen the Frank Stephenson review of the new 2 series?

I understand it's just one man's opinion, but given the vehicles he's had a hand in designing, he offers an interesting perspective:

yes one man's opinion but he was a Designer that obviously knows lot more than any of us. That said, I like the vehicle overall but admit some of the multiple angles on front & back end don't make lot of sense or have a purpose. But the vehicle has a lot more technology and safety features vs. out-going Generation. Was time for a change and we can always argue over details with any design

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by SW19

He wasn’t questioning the quality control.I think the best point he made is why pay the same price for a BMW that is made in Mexico when they are paying the Mexican workers so much less in wages.A simple google search shows the average Mexican auto worker makes $3.14 an hour in wages.The average German working in an Automotive plant makes $67.14 an hour.Apparently the new USMCA deal is supposed to increase the Mexican wages to $16 an hour but Auto manufacturers can just pay a 2.5 percent US export tariff instead.

Some might argue that BMW is exploiting cheap labour in Mexico to earn more profits.I’m sure the quality of the product will be very good.It’s a brand new plant.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/17/65780...-mexican-wages

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederi...h=4df84d016b78

A modern car is assembled in ~25hours. So the delta in labour cost is only having this much impact. For a manufacturer, subsidies, taxation and exemptions for social charges is at least as important.

When I see the retail price of the M240i, I really have the impression that some of the lower cost is indeed translated into a moderated price. I cannot find any comparable car at this price point. I admit that I exclude the US pony cars then.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by yanks1

yes one man's opinion but he was a Designer that obviously knows lot more than any of us. That said, I like the vehicle overall but admit some of the multiple angles on front & back end don't make lot of sense or have a purpose. But the vehicle has a lot more technology and safety features vs. out-going Generation. Was time for a change and we can always argue over details with any design

Although I respect the analysis of Stephenson, I have to admit that I really do like it nevertheless. Somehow, it shouts that it's a blast to drive and it invites to seek winding roads (without speed limit).

[F22leo]

Originally Posted by Matt 335is

Wow, BMW nailed this one. It looks more and more amazing every time I see new photos.

The G42 is a massive improvement over the F22 in exterior and interior design.

This has to be sarcasm

[CDN-Driver]

For me:
Made in Mexico = No Issue
Too Heavy = Big Issue
Fugly = Deal Breaker

[stylinexpat]

I think BMW has all their top guys now at this factory from Germany including top of the line and state of the art machinery from Germany as well. I think they have locals doing basic stuff off the assembly line. Shipping times for logistics to the US would drop a lot too for BMW. I believe duties would drop too. At the end of the day though in all honesty of given the choice or option I would gladly pay $2-3K more to get my BMW out of Germany over Mexico. If you want to know if it is built well or not open and close doors. Smart people will know if it was built well or not based off of how the doors close. One of a few things to look at to test quality control of how car was built.

[80386i]

Originally Posted by junx

Looks kinda cheap

Because it is kinda cheap.

[TEGRITY]

No disrespect but "Born in Mexico for the global market" is not necessarily a good headliner statement. Understand that BMW and most other manufacturers produce cars in various global locations to achieve efficiencies. Being a German brand is a bit diluted now like "Designed by Apple in California and Made in China".

I am really glad that all my BMWs till date have come from Germany and hope it remains that way!

[Matt 335is]

The other remarkable thing about this design is that it's practically BMW's entry level vehicle(yes there's the X1, X2, 2-series GC), but looks much more premium than it's class.

Whereas the F22 looked its price, this comes across as a more expensive vehicle.

[yanks1]

Agree some folks who don’t like it have to convince others & post negative things. Does look like a blast to drive and is a different design to move BMW into
the future.

And has normal sized Kidney Grille. And the tech goodies are big improvement

[Game]

Originally Posted by CP911

Quality control is not the issue. It's a matter of principle for some, including me. I won't buy a BMW made in Mexico. I have absolutely nothing against Mexico, and I know they can make a good BMW. Does not matter though. I want my premium German cars with their German price tag to be born in Germany. The BMW X being made in the USA is already pushing it for me, but I also can't be mad that they are creating jobs in my country. However, made in Mexico does nothing for me and only contributes a feeling of lost heritage and reduced brand mystique, both of which have been factors in my decision to pay double what I would otherwise need to for a set of wheels. Now, they still want me to pay double, but the product doesn't feel as special as it once did. Why would I consciously support this and spend my money on it? I just can't.

So let's say the G87 M2 is released and is a phenomenal looking car with mind blowing performance for 65k. You're passing on it because the still German car (with parts from all over the world) is being assembled in Mexico?

[10"]

The new 2-series is such a huge improvement over the last generation bulbous 2er and better looking than any other BMW currently made.

No manual and made in Mexico sucks—but at least they got the styling right.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by 10"

The new 2-series is such a huge improvement over the last generation bulbous 2er and better looking than any other BMW currently made.

No manual and made in Mexico sucks—but at least they got the styling right.

I am going to reserve judgment until the M2 comes out - I don’t have any interest in the base models.

With that being said, I don’t like the headlights (why just toss the corona rimgs side?), the tails are too stubby if that makes sense, and there are competing shapes and angles that just don’t look very good.

Hopefully the M2 is sorted better.