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07-14-2014, 05:30 PM | #1 |
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Brake and suspension mods
Car's getting reworked with a lot of mods at the moment. Thought some pics of the work might be of interest.
Retrofitted F30 backing plates And installed M3 control arms and HVT 3-way struts. 135i calipers with Stoptech pistons, boots, and seals are installed as well along with Stoptech Sport slotted rotors. TMS adjustable sway bar end links visible in these pics but this is before the struts were replaced. Rogue Engineering toe arms, HVT divorced coilovers, and slotted rotor on the rear axle. Subframe after rebuild - TMS Delrin differential bushings aren't shown. AKG Motorsport adjustable sway bar end links are visible as are the M3 links, modified by HVT although I couldn't say exactly what was done to them. Decided after the subframe was reinstalled to use the Bimmerworld spring arm spherical bearings instead of the bushings which TMS had listed as BMW Motorsports Group N parts but instead have the exact same part number molded into them as the OE bushings. Bearing housing got welded in today. [edit] Correction - I was completely wrong about the bushings not being Group N parts, they are indeed Group N and the listing at TMS is exactly correct. And they even offered to take them back for store credit since they're in the original packaging, talk about a bunch of nice guys. But I'll keep them as spares/replacements in case some of these parts fail. [/edit] Trailing arm bushings turned out to be OE parts too so they're getting replaced with 135i spherical bearings since they'll press in to the OE trailing arms. This work hasn't been done yet though. [edit] Trailing arm bushings replaced with E46 spherical bearings but machined down in width by ~10mm, or available from BimmerWorld apparently -- not 135i parts, my mistake [/edit] All the work's done at Classic BMW Motorsports and I've no connection with them other than I gotta pay the bills.
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What brand are the Sub frame Bushings?
How do you like the HVT Coilovers, what spring rates did you use and how affordable are they?
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The HVT coilovers look to be very well built, can't say yet any more about them although the race team uses them on their cars so they couldn't be poor quality I figure. Dunno what the spring rates are, HVT designed the suspension for this car specifically based on corner weights, projected ride height, and center of gravity height. Or something like that. The suspension was quoted at $8100 installed although no telling what retail is, sorry. Lots of parts, lots of labor, bulk discount applies apparently. Not that I'm complaining. Paid the parts bill when I dropped it off and it was as painful as the cost of the parts I'd already bought myself and delivered a week earlier.
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FWIW, here's all the major parts set out for their facebook page, that I didn't know they had. Yeah, I don't get out much...
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07-14-2014, 07:52 PM | #5 |
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Wow this is legit! How much do you hit the track!?
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Until now? Not as much as I would like. But that's gonna change. And it's my daily driver so every turn's a corner. Sorta.
And when I learn to drive the thing again, managing to not stall it all the time since it has rigid friction discs and a billet flywheel, it'll get an OMP HTE-R seat with the pyro tensioner transferred to make it safe on the street. Uses OMP low aluminum side brackets on an OMP slider mounted on a Planted Technology seat base using Planted hardware. Has brackets welded on both sides, one for the tensioner and the other for the Schroth end.
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Forgot to add where the rear shock remote reservoirs got mounted.
Rebound adjustment is at the top of the shock which is why the liner/carpet is cut into a door of sorts. The Safecraft RS5 fire suppression system bottle (FE-36) is to be mounted between the two reservoirs on the underside of the parcel shelf. Still working on where to put the remote reservoirs for the front struts though.
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How is the flywheel? Do you have any videos of driving with that? Seems like a very worth mod to do, you are the first I have seen with a lightweight flywheel.
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The clutch design itself has fixed hub friction discs with six pad organic friction surfaces, iirc. There's a pilot bearing and a throwout. You can see from the picture it's a stand type dual disc clutch design. Not exactly inexpensive but definitely worth it to get the torque to the road as quickly as possible to help acceleration on corner exit.
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What is the purpose of the F30 backing plates ?
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Lowers rotor temp and probably caliper temp as well. This is something discussed in detail on the 1addicts site a while back.
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Awesome build! Nice to see someone focusing on handling too and not only on power!
A word of caution about the RE toe links. I've got play in one bushing after only one and a half season/15.000 km. I'm nowswirching to Hardrace toe links, which seem to be identical to Megan Racing. Interesting find about the 135i spherical bushings for the trailing arm. I've put powerflex bushings into these, but those bushings seem to be too hard and unbalance the rear. I'll look up pn thise 135i bushings. Finally, you may want to look into bushings for the M3 front control arms. I think I got those from HP autowerks. Cheers.
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![]() I kinda flipped a coin on the toe arms, didn't know about the Hardrace parts, thanks. I may just build my own since they're so simple to make. The race team doing the work has made some killer ball joints for their E46 and we've discussed how to improve the E9x M3 arms. The end ball joints that connect to the knuckle turn out to be the weak link so there's some work to be done there designing a solution for them. Will look at the bushings on Harold's site, thanks very much for that. The 135i parts were suggested by the race car chief, haven't seen them yet but did verify they're the same parts as you'd find online, can't remember where I saw them though, sorry.
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I've put these bushings in the "street" compound in my car:
http://www.hpashop.com/Rogue-Enginee...RE-E9x-TAB.htm A subtle mod but worth the investment.
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Front strut remote reservoirs mounted. Removed top half of cowling and will install Burger Tuning filters when they come in. Lower part still protects engine, firewall, wiring, trans, etc. from rain since it's a daily. Purty kewl I thought...
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Nice build. I guess everyone mounts their reservoirs different. Here's how VAC did mine:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=816793 Rears are invisible unless you lift up the inner trunk compartment. The Rogue toe arms will fail as noted; mine did after just 2,000 miles. Garbage bushings (failure was likely due to inadequate seals). VAC replaced the bearings with custom ones from Aurora Bearing Co. and did full rod end boots. Been perfect for the last 5000+ miles. I don't necessarily recommend doing what I did because it's expensive and a hassle. The Megan Racing arms use a sealed ball joint which is the best (same as comes on the M3 stock) but the overall quality of those arms is so-so (plus they're quite heavy). Quote:
These bushings eliminated the car's tendency to shimmy under hard braking on track (which ordinarily causes even the M3 bushings to deflect). Helps the steering feel too at the expense of minor added road noise. Best of luck with the build - let us know how those dampers feel and what kind of settings work best. I have 2-ways and found it pretty challenging to get it exactly right. I do change them depending on the track and conditions. The rebound is the hardest to get right, I would start at zero and move it up click by click until you feel the tire 'skipping' over bumps, then adjust it back. If you have high and low speed compression adjustments, I suggest first tuning with the low speed only , leaving the high speed at its minimum. The low speed has a double effect. Only increase the high speed compression if you run out of low speed adjustment. Dampers work best in the 0-2in/s velocity range which is what the low speed adjustment controls, and if you get that right, then the high speed is less important. The same logic would apply to rebound if you had high and low speed rebound adjustments.
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